Need I remind you, this is a philosophical discussion debating a philosophical question. Philosophy invented science, informing and improving the methods of all branches of science, which begs the question . . . "Is philosophy a science?" Properly and successfully engaged, it should be and must be for the love of wisdom is the heartbeat of acquiring, accumulating, organising and applying knowledge useful to human progress and ultimately the essential means for determining exactly what that is. Without us and it working together to derive the mutual benefits this relationship brings to the survival and enhancement of both, the universe and all that is in it would be rendered meaningless.