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Refusing to sign childs passport application
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Whilst in actual fact to sign a child's photo for a passport application you need to have known the adult who is signing the form (you) for 2 years it would be a common belief that you need to have known the child - after all you are certifying that the photo is a true likeness of the child. That is what you write on the back - not that you know the genetic parentage of the child...
This is of course in common sense terms daft if you know the parent and have never met the child. If you believe that you should know the child (even if your belief is wrong) then his actions are understandable. If you explained that he simply needed to have know you and he still refused then maybe he was being a little unreasonable...
Given that you 'waited for' your revenge I'm guessing that these two incidents were a little time apart. He probably has not linked your refusal to give to charity - which carried an implication that you believed he might steal your money - to his refusal to sign the photo. He probably thinks you were rude. I would apologise if I were you.
I can see both sides to this. I wouldn't have thought he was being deliberately awkward or unfriendly , just trying to play by the rules, but I can see why you'd be annoyed. I don't think you should apologise - just leave it as it is but don't hold a grudge, and move back to being on friendly terms again.
sorry, but inferno is right. Signing a passport photo means you are saying it looks like the person it purports to show. If you haven't seen the child, you can't. It's the law.
Whether you apologise for not giving to charity because you don't like the collector, is up to you and is really a separate issue. But if you were rude and you meant to be rude, and you aren't sorry, then there's no point in saying that you are.
I would have done exactly the same as you, but thinking about it, the guy may feel hurt at your inclination of him pocketing the cash, although an apology would warrant an explaination.
Just ignore people who put you down like Octavius, I'm sure they've lost count of the number of charities they've refused to give to.
i would say this is all depending on how well u know this collegue, if he is just someone u have known in the office for a few months or a year then it isnt unreasonable for him to be weary about signing to say he legal accepts the pic is your child if he hasnt ever seen your child, however if it is an old friend that u have worked with for say 10 or 15 years then maybe they are being a little overcautious.
Personally tho what u were asking of this collegue is actually illegal to sign to say it is your child when they have never actually met or seen your child and that they are well within there right to refuse on that grounds and u should accept it. I think not offering towards charity purely on the grounds of spite over the passport is a little childish unless u genuinlydidnt want to give money or didnt believe it would go to the charity concerned as to which u would also be within your right and that collegue would accept that.
End of the day u cant make people break the law just cos u want a passport and they dont want to get involved as what if u did the same for him and it turned out he was raking in �5000 a month towards his retirement smuggling peole in the country under false passports u have inadvertantly helped to do and become an accomplice to. If u could really trust this person and they were such aa good friend then how come that u havent introduced them to your family already?
I think the person needs some slack cutting sorry
you asked him to sign a false statement and then accused him of theft / fraud, this is what he will think. I don't think his refusing to sign your childs passport picture has anything to do with you - more to do with him and his moral code. My grandmother never lied and neither will my mother, in any circumstances, this is just something they believe in and yes it has upset people (mum refused to be god parent because she couldn't promise educate the child about god - she did suggest ways of getting round the promise [e.g. she would provide religious education about all religions] but they didn't want that) and got them in trouble (telling the truth to the inland revenue when you hardly earn any money just gets them asking questions and accusing you of cheating on the tax), but that is how they live and they are happier that way. I know it is annoying (i really know) but if he won't lie you should really expect him too - even if you think it's a trivial matter... say sorry and forget about it
twiglet4frog - as Lillabet stated, when countersigning the photo of a child (i.e. under 16) the signatory is attesting that they have known the adult completing the form (specifically section 9) for 2 years or more NOT the child itself.
This is a common misconception (no pun intended) which may have lead to the problem at hand.
Well of course you were being overtly vengeful - you've said so yourself when you say you waited for your revenge.
Whatever about the why's and wherefores you should now judge what value you put on having a good relationship with this colleague.
I doubt they'll go "Oh my gosh how could I have done that I must go over and patch things up"
So if you want good relations with this person you'll probably have to go and explain why you bit their head off and appologise.
If you don't then don't bother.
Once again... the 'professional' person signing the photo does NOT need to know the child.
http://www.passport.gov.uk/faqs/faq.asp?strAreaNo=321_2&intelement=529
I think what I tried to say in my original post was that it is possible that this person mistakenly believed that he would be breaking the law if he signed despite not knowing your child. As someone who works in law enforcement he might be supre sensitive to doing anything 'dodgy' Actually he would have been doing nothing wrong.
He might well therefore have refused to sign due to a mistake rather than any desire to upset you and might be very surprised that you are upset with him.
If he hasn't realised that you are upset, or if the photo incident was a while ago and he has forgotten, your reaction to a request for sponsorship might seem strange. Accusing him of theft is rude. Having said that if there is no sign that he is put out there is probably little to be gained from an endless postmortem and you could just both move on...
Oh and for your info here's a link to the list of acceptable countersignatories: http://www.passport.gov.uk/faqs/faq.asp?strAreaNo=321_1&intelement=454
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