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Is It Wrong To Use The Bible As A Standard To Measure What Is Right And Wrong?
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Because a proverb says A bad person will not go unpunished. (Prov. 11:21)
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Judges 3:7-11; Judges 6:1-5; Judges 10:6-14 - both examples of Yahweh selling the Israelites into slavery and abandoning them for years/decades on end.
In Numbers, God also condemns the whole generation of Israelites who left Egypt (the ones he didn't slaughter on the way, that is) to live in the desert for disobedience.
Yes, sounds like an extremely patient and forgiving God to me. For someone so well-read in Christian websites, you should really sit down and read your own holy book.
In Numbers, God also condemns the whole generation of Israelites who left Egypt (the ones he didn't slaughter on the way, that is) to live in the desert for disobedience.
Yes, sounds like an extremely patient and forgiving God to me. For someone so well-read in Christian websites, you should really sit down and read your own holy book.
Right and wrong are not established by arbitrarily issuing or blindly following edicts but rather through a process of reason applied to ones experience for determining the consequences of ones choices and actions as they are manifested in reality. To know right from wrong is to understand why one would be foolish or crazy to do it any other way.
@ goodlife The huge difference here is that a parent is present to offer discipline - not so much with this god you keep waffling on about.
I have no idea what you were trying to say about patients being exasperated adults or something?
And whilst it might be understandable to become exasperated if you are not getting your point across- any reasonable person would probably question why and whether the point they are trying to make is, in actualy fact, wrong? A bit like what you are doing really.
Regardless, taking an exasperated tone with us is not doing you any favours. Making silly analogies is not proving your point.
And where exactly did you say "it is wrong to use the bible as a standard to measure what is right or wrong? Seems to me that would be something we would all have noticed.
I am glad though that you now see the error of your ways, and agree with the rest of us that using the bible as the arbiter of right or wrong would be - wrong :)
I have no idea what you were trying to say about patients being exasperated adults or something?
And whilst it might be understandable to become exasperated if you are not getting your point across- any reasonable person would probably question why and whether the point they are trying to make is, in actualy fact, wrong? A bit like what you are doing really.
Regardless, taking an exasperated tone with us is not doing you any favours. Making silly analogies is not proving your point.
And where exactly did you say "it is wrong to use the bible as a standard to measure what is right or wrong? Seems to me that would be something we would all have noticed.
I am glad though that you now see the error of your ways, and agree with the rest of us that using the bible as the arbiter of right or wrong would be - wrong :)
You're right, you don't understand
Demand human sacrifice of children where?
//keep waffling on about " it is wrong to use the bible as a standard to measure what is right or wrong? Seems to me that would be something we would all have noticed//
Yes , and God’s Word says: Let the wicked man leave his way, and the harmful man his thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:7) you can see a mind of a wicked person went is filled with evil ideas, and he is quick to slander God word.
Also you can see that hatred of true Christians has continued down to this very day. Because the world has no love for God.
Yes, the promises of God furnish ample basis for anticipating an end of all wickedness, and the putting out of action of the very leader in evildoing. (Matt. 24:37-39)
Demand human sacrifice of children where?
//keep waffling on about " it is wrong to use the bible as a standard to measure what is right or wrong? Seems to me that would be something we would all have noticed//
Yes , and God’s Word says: Let the wicked man leave his way, and the harmful man his thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:7) you can see a mind of a wicked person went is filled with evil ideas, and he is quick to slander God word.
Also you can see that hatred of true Christians has continued down to this very day. Because the world has no love for God.
Yes, the promises of God furnish ample basis for anticipating an end of all wickedness, and the putting out of action of the very leader in evildoing. (Matt. 24:37-39)
If you are going to quote from proverbs, two can play at that game. Consider these verses from the same book of the OT :
"Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm."
"He that correcteth a scorner getteth to himself shame."
If all us atheists are scorners, Goodife at least should stop correcting us, or he getteth to himself shame. As his favourite book says.
"Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm."
"He that correcteth a scorner getteth to himself shame."
If all us atheists are scorners, Goodife at least should stop correcting us, or he getteth to himself shame. As his favourite book says.
The Arc of the Covenant is a wonderful tale.
One night they parked in a house and the owner had to build a new house because no woman or child could ever possibly enter a house where it had once been.
Remember this Arc is filled with all the gold silver and jewels from the more than thirty tribes that the Hebrews massacred as they took possession of their "Promised Land". Other valuables had to be burnt because they couldn't carry them.
The Arc is revered. No it isn't our stuff, it is for Yhw. We collect all the stuff from the people we massacre and Yhw says we can have the land.
Just what Yhw needed it for was never explained. Remember Yhw had already created the whole Universe and everything in it and was surely more than capable of making as much gold and silver as he cared.
Surprisingly the Arc just disappears despite it heavenly protection. It was because God and the Hebrews had a falling out. That disagreements was partly down to the Hebrews failing to kill everyone who lived in the Promised Land. They only enslaved some of them which wasn't what God wanted.
The justification of the enslavement was that these people had tricked the Hebrews into a truce by pretending they lived far away. As they were upstanding people the Hebrews had to honour that truce even though they were tricked.
It was nothing to do with the fact that having murdered almost everyone in the whole area and burnt their belongings. It wasn't because they realised the stolen loot was no substitute for having someone else to do the work. Oh noooooo.
The lasting irony is that modern Hebrews solemnly remember the genocide perpetrated against them by the Nazis. No doubt much of the remembering goes on in the same place where they celebrate the glory of Yhw as evidenced by the bloody massacres perpetrated by Joshua and his followers.
One night they parked in a house and the owner had to build a new house because no woman or child could ever possibly enter a house where it had once been.
Remember this Arc is filled with all the gold silver and jewels from the more than thirty tribes that the Hebrews massacred as they took possession of their "Promised Land". Other valuables had to be burnt because they couldn't carry them.
The Arc is revered. No it isn't our stuff, it is for Yhw. We collect all the stuff from the people we massacre and Yhw says we can have the land.
Just what Yhw needed it for was never explained. Remember Yhw had already created the whole Universe and everything in it and was surely more than capable of making as much gold and silver as he cared.
Surprisingly the Arc just disappears despite it heavenly protection. It was because God and the Hebrews had a falling out. That disagreements was partly down to the Hebrews failing to kill everyone who lived in the Promised Land. They only enslaved some of them which wasn't what God wanted.
The justification of the enslavement was that these people had tricked the Hebrews into a truce by pretending they lived far away. As they were upstanding people the Hebrews had to honour that truce even though they were tricked.
It was nothing to do with the fact that having murdered almost everyone in the whole area and burnt their belongings. It wasn't because they realised the stolen loot was no substitute for having someone else to do the work. Oh noooooo.
The lasting irony is that modern Hebrews solemnly remember the genocide perpetrated against them by the Nazis. No doubt much of the remembering goes on in the same place where they celebrate the glory of Yhw as evidenced by the bloody massacres perpetrated by Joshua and his followers.
beso- For you to know anything, who can best answer that questions about God’s permission of wickedness? Well, if you were charged with some fault, would you want people to listen to only what others said about you? Or would you want to speak for yourself to clear up the matter in the mind of anyone who sincerely wanted to know?
It is God who is held to be at fault for permitting wickedness. Since he best knows why he permits it, would it not be fair to let him speak for himself? Looking to atheism for answers will never be satisfying, since so often they have conflicting ideas.
It is God who is held to be at fault for permitting wickedness. Since he best knows why he permits it, would it not be fair to let him speak for himself? Looking to atheism for answers will never be satisfying, since so often they have conflicting ideas.
Naomi you say you know your Bible, so here something for you- There is a time to keep quiet and a time to speak, says Ecclesiastes 3:7.. We can learn much from the example of one who was always perfect in discretion—Jesus. (1 Peter 2:21)
He knew when it was a time to keep quiet. For instance, when the chief priests and the older men falsely accused him before Pilate, Jesus made no answer. (Matthew 27:11-14)
He did not want to say anything that might interfere with the carrying out of God’s will for him. He chose, instead, to let his public record speak for itself. He knew that not even the truth would change their proud minds and hearts.
He knew when it was a time to keep quiet. For instance, when the chief priests and the older men falsely accused him before Pilate, Jesus made no answer. (Matthew 27:11-14)
He did not want to say anything that might interfere with the carrying out of God’s will for him. He chose, instead, to let his public record speak for itself. He knew that not even the truth would change their proud minds and hearts.
What would happen if the Ark of the covenant were to be rediscovered one day ? If some ignorant archaeologist found it, would s/he immediately be struck dead by thunderbolts ? Would it be recognised before anyone touched it ? Would every rabbi priest and levite have to be convened in Jerusalem to see who was fit to move it ? Or if there was anyone who didn't mind risking the thunderbolts in case god disagreed with the decision ?
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