Fair point, well made birdie but I think we're straying away from the point slightly. redvanman's assertions are borne from prejudice whereas yours are from experience. I don't think anyone's saying any particular group or people are all good or all bad but should be judged (if judging is necessary) individually. Though I cross swords with an intellectual GIANT as redvanman with extreme caution I do think he has a lot to learn when dealing with people (and the English language come to that, eg 'brave men that fought', men are people not things - 'men WHO fought') but possibly with attention to detail and the odd wrap across his knuckles he'll learn.