Muslims ... Yes .... Muslims Again.

[-Talbot-]

First time I have heard of this group ... http://muslimreformmovement.org/

Anyone heard of them?
Some interesting videos

[jourdain2]

Yes, they have put themselves at risk and I wish them very well and have the merest, faint hope that their version of Islam will prevail. I'll find them on facebook.

[Svejk]

jno ///I can't possibly look at it. It might challenge my prejudices. It's too long.///

I wouldn't be at all surprised. I'd imagine it doesn't tie in with your infantile view that anyone concerned with some aspects of Islam is a knuckle-dragging racist. As evinced by the rest of your post.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Why do you waste your time, Svejk? He doesn't get, does he?

[Svejk]

Simple people like simple solutions, ve.
Pro mass immigration- good guys. Concerned- bad guys.
More benefits- good guys. Concerned- bad.
So it goes on. Whether they're all simple, I couldn't possibly say.

[wildwood]

The videos are too long for me to watch Talbot, so I can't commend on them if only watching a few minutes.

Muslims has succeeded to the point were now most politicians all over the world are to scared (and not without good reason) to denounced Islam for fear of physical reprisals.

[agchristie]

^ there are many outspoken politicians who are very good at telling us what is best for us until it comes to the thorny issue of Islam. Frankly, it is quite tedious to hear the same trite statements coming from the mouths of people who are full of deceit.

[mibn2cweus]

It's difficult to pay much credence to reformation of an ideology which espouses deception as a means to achieve its ends, no less so when reformation retains one of religions most basic and dreadful tenants, that an alleged god is on their side. If there was ever a baby in the bath water . . . it has long since drowned.

[vetuste_ennemi]

You are unfair to Christianity, Mibs. A religion which preaches love is superior which preaches hate. Do you agree!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Superior to one that...

[vetuste_ennemi]

Blame it on the boogie

[mibn2cweus]

//You are unfair to Christianity, Mibs. A religion which preaches love is superior which preaches hate. Do you agree!//

All gods share one attribute that renders them mutually potentially catastrophic to the development of a rational world view in that they all proceed from an imagination subjugated to belief. Having been raised in a predominately Christian environment I've learned early on it's best to steer clear of harm's way and avoid confrontation in as much as remains possible, that 'Christian love' is more readily shared between those who entertain the same allusion, that love is the reward doled out by a vengeful god in exchange for blind obedience and subservience of mind and body to his arbitrary will.

Throughout history the response to any gods who have been found wanting has almost invariably been to up the stakes and tighten the noose rather than dispense with the notion of gods entirely in an attempt to bury one scrap heap beneath yet another. Just when it was beginning to appear humanity might yet survive Christianity along comes another lesson to be learned about why belief in a god of any kind might never have been a really good idea.

[Khandro]

mibn; For someone who has,
"been raised in a predominately Christian environment" and has, "learned early on it's best to steer clear of harm's way and avoid confrontation in as much as remains possible,"
You put up strangely confrontational (and ignorant) posts!

[andy-hughes]

Svejk - //Anyone who doesn't worry about some Muslims is a fool, imo. //

Indeed - and I am careful to balance it by worrying equally about some non-Muslims as well.

[naomi24]

Khandro, Mibs' posts are far from ignorant.

[agchristie]

Yes, Mibs posts in a very articulate, thoughtful fashion.

[Khandro]

n.& a.; Anyone who believes that;

"Christian love is more readily shared between those who entertain the same allusion, that love is the reward doled out by a vengeful god in exchange for blind obedience and subservience of mind and body to his arbitrary will."

Clearly is ignorant of the teachings of Christ.

[naomi24]

Khandro, doesn't that rather depend upon the philosophy the teacher has gleaned from his study of Christ? After all, there are few who call themselves Christian who believe that anyone who isn't of a like mind will eventually join them in heaven. Mibs isn't ignorant. He's telling it like it is.

[Khandro]

naomi; //doesn't that rather depend upon the philosophy the teacher has gleaned from his study of Christ?//

No, it doesn't; the 'teacher' is Christ.

[naomi24]

Khandro, really? So why are so many at odds with one another about what he is alleged to have taught? The fact is that Christians - and Muslims - believe what they believe because they have been taught that there is a harsh penalty to be paid if they don't - and that's what Mibs, quite rightly, said. No ignorance there.

[Khandro]

n. Why do you now drag Muslims into a comment about Christianity?