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[Khandro]

"The Muslim world is all pomposity and bravado. If Islam is ridiculed publicly and systematically it will be defeated. Shame is a great motivator as well as a deterrent. Do not underestimate the power of ridicule."

Ali Sina [former Muslim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpJJQDm_lBM

[fiction-factory]

Why would I disagree with that obviously true statement Naomi?
I would never ridicule anyone's religion to their face or in public- I respect their right to hold those views regardless of whether I disagree or agree with. I think most religions are sensitive about being ridiculed but some can take a joke or criticism better than others.

[Old_Geezer]

Not likely to get hit as an anonymous poster though. Ali may get issues but Khan should be ok.

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, right, so contrary to your earlier statement it isn’t ‘easy’ to ridicule all religions because ridiculing Islam is likely to result in death.

//I respect their right to hold those views regardless of whether I disagree or agree with.//

You do? Really?

[fiction-factory]

I respect your right to type nonsense and throw in non-sequiturs, Naomi. What's this got to do with Khandro's thread?
I agree with everything I've said on here. You are incorrect when you suggest I have contradicted myself. It is easy to find major flaws with Islam or other religions and some ridicule them with ease on here but I wouldn't advise anyone to stand on street corners with placards criticising any religion- whether it an anti Islam placard outside a mosque or an anti Catholic sign held by protestants in a strongly republican area.

[naomi24]

fiction-factory , it isn’t nonsense. You claim to respect their right to hold those views regardless of whether you disagree or agree with them – but you haven’t really thought about what it is you’re actually ‘respecting’. Perhaps you should.

[fiction-factory]

Patronising twaddle in my opinion. But I don't intend to discuss it further as I have remembered you are the expert in all areas relating to Islam

[naomi24]

Ah. The reality is too difficult to acknowledge so you attack me. That doesn't surprise me.

[ummmm]

But you are patronising, shockingly so!

[naomi24]

Why am I patronising? Because I tell the truth? If you're that shocked Ummmm, have a sit down and collect yourself.

[Khandro]

I don't actually care a tinker's about what other people wish to believe in, but the narrow-mindedness found in the followers of Islam leads to the extraordinary attitude that we who don't agree with their mediaeval beliefs based on an absurd book, are all 'Kuffars' and can be dealt with in any way they see fit, our womenfolk are 'prostitutes' and can be raped with impunity and Christians in the Middle East are being beheaded, not for ridiculing them (as Sina and I suggest), but simply for being Christians.

[naomi24]

khandro, //I don't actually care a tinker's about what other people wish to believe in//

You do. If you didn't you wouldn't be concerned that Christians are being slaughtered by madmen.

All this crap we've had on here about respecting the religious beliefs of others really is just crap. Who in their right mind could respect religious beliefs that espouse the slaughter of other human beings?

[Khandro]

n. After, "I don't actually care a tinker's about what other people wish to believe in," I omitted to say, as long as they don't want to burden me with their absurd beliefs by the use force. I accept that of course, all Muslims are not jihadists, but I find it chilling that the polls suggest a high proportion of them are reluctant to condemn extremism.

I don't care what the J.W's for example, believe in. They may try to convince me to adopt their beliefs, but they are always polite and leave my doorstep when I demur. In fact, I have a kind of admiration for their calm resolve.

[naomi24]

Khandro, That’s exactly right. I have no objection to people believing whatever they want to believe, but if that belief affects other people, as in the case of Islamic fundamentalism which not only endorses slaughter, but (going back to your OP) teaches children nonsense as fact, then I object.

[agchristie]

^ spot on. We only have to see those very young children who have been trained up and acting as executioners to see the damage caused due to the warped ideology.

[naomi24]

ag, you've got to respect it. ;o)

[agchristie]

LOL!

[naomi24]

:o)

[Arksided]

Made me laugh. PMSL at Four Lions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ8KwVp0MR8

[Khandro]

The Right to Mock
by Douglas Murray • October 10, 2016 at 5:00 am

Mohammed Shafiq was quoted in the Sun saying of Smith: "I think he should apologise immediately. Our faith is not to be mocked, our faith is to be celebrated and I think people will be offended."

Shafiq does not explain why his faith should not be mocked. Nor does he seem to know anything about the right of free people in free countries to do or say whatever we like about Islam or any other faith whenever we feel like it.

There is nothing special about Islam that means it cannot be mocked. In fact, it would be a very good thing (both for Muslims and everyone else) if it were mocked rather more.

But there in that sentence is the implicit threat again. All insist that their faith "should not be mocked." And for those who say they are moderates, and are presented as such by the press, it seems to be exceptionally useful that they do not have to be much more explicit than this.

But in this not-so-subtle intimidation do we not see precisely that thing which most worries the public? That despite what our politicians say, the allegedly vast chasm that separates the extremists from the "moderates" seems at times to be almost paper-thin.