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Are Niqab & Burka Barriers To Effective Communication & Establishing Trust & Rapport - Like In Testifying In Law Courts, Working In Professions That Require Interaction With People?
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Wearing insignias of one's religion like hijab, turban, bangle or crucifix should not be allowed if it is for reasons of security, health & safety or effectiveness at work (e.g. broadcaster wearing Niqab) especially in the fields employment, security, health & safety.
Employers or organisations (like TV companies, healthcare, teaching, banks, cinemas) should be able to ban Niqab & Burka, or other religious symbols for various reasons, without having to face racial discrimination court action.
However, Niqab & Burka hood, mask, helmet can hide the identity of a person, hence they should not be worn for photos required in passports, driving licence, travel & ID cards, etc, as well as for health & safety reasons.
Body searches may be even more necessary & intense for those wearing long robes & veils. Niqab & Burka can give rise to the lack of body language, as well as not demonstrating trust and openness/transparency. Niqab & Burka can be a barrier to effective communication & establishing trust & rapport - like in testifying in Law Courts, working in professions that require interaction with people (like healthcare, teaching, customer service, hospitality, counsellor, etc)
It should be possible for Niqab & Burka to be banned for various specified public gatherings (like buses). Women wearing veils can be a barrier to integration into British secular way of life, where religion is kept as a private affair without affecting the lives or well-being of society.
The differences between Muslim full head covering of Niqab & Burka, to partial head covering of Hijab, Chador, Al-Amira, Shayla, Khimar are illustrated in http://
Employers or organisations (like TV companies, healthcare, teaching, banks, cinemas) should be able to ban Niqab & Burka, or other religious symbols for various reasons, without having to face racial discrimination court action.
However, Niqab & Burka hood, mask, helmet can hide the identity of a person, hence they should not be worn for photos required in passports, driving licence, travel & ID cards, etc, as well as for health & safety reasons.
Body searches may be even more necessary & intense for those wearing long robes & veils. Niqab & Burka can give rise to the lack of body language, as well as not demonstrating trust and openness/transparency. Niqab & Burka can be a barrier to effective communication & establishing trust & rapport - like in testifying in Law Courts, working in professions that require interaction with people (like healthcare, teaching, customer service, hospitality, counsellor, etc)
It should be possible for Niqab & Burka to be banned for various specified public gatherings (like buses). Women wearing veils can be a barrier to integration into British secular way of life, where religion is kept as a private affair without affecting the lives or well-being of society.
The differences between Muslim full head covering of Niqab & Burka, to partial head covering of Hijab, Chador, Al-Amira, Shayla, Khimar are illustrated in http://
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woofgang,
As I said, earlier "ignore the rest of the 2 paragraphs in my earlier post @ 19:31 Sun 06th Aug 2017 as I accidently posted them".
I did not delate the last two paragraphs from my own original post in my answer, not cut & pate as such. It was an accident OK, certainly not intentional at all, so do not add to my inconvenience anymore.
As I said, earlier "ignore the rest of the 2 paragraphs in my earlier post @ 19:31 Sun 06th Aug 2017 as I accidently posted them".
I did not delate the last two paragraphs from my own original post in my answer, not cut & pate as such. It was an accident OK, certainly not intentional at all, so do not add to my inconvenience anymore.
Mamyalynne: "Have you approached Government and the Security Services with your details plans?"
These common sense measures must have already occurred to them but they are difficult to implement, impractical & not too PC.
In any case, such ,measures of checking & scanning, psychological profiling are already in operation in places where high security are required (like in airports, Parliament, Court of Law, where the monarch is living, visiting head of state is, controversial political meetings, etc, etc.
These common sense measures must have already occurred to them but they are difficult to implement, impractical & not too PC.
In any case, such ,measures of checking & scanning, psychological profiling are already in operation in places where high security are required (like in airports, Parliament, Court of Law, where the monarch is living, visiting head of state is, controversial political meetings, etc, etc.
Mamyalynne,
Thank-you very much, friend. I am not security expert.
As I said they are common sense. I should add to my reply as: These common sense measures must have already occurred to them but they are difficult to implement, impractical & not too PC. In any case, such, measures of checking & scanning, psychological profiling, AS WELL AS INTELLIGENCE & SURVEILLANCE, are already in operation in places where high security are required (like in airports, Parliament, Court of Law, where the monarch is living, visiting head of state is, controversial political meetings, etc, etc.
Thank-you very much, friend. I am not security expert.
As I said they are common sense. I should add to my reply as: These common sense measures must have already occurred to them but they are difficult to implement, impractical & not too PC. In any case, such, measures of checking & scanning, psychological profiling, AS WELL AS INTELLIGENCE & SURVEILLANCE, are already in operation in places where high security are required (like in airports, Parliament, Court of Law, where the monarch is living, visiting head of state is, controversial political meetings, etc, etc.
willbewhatiwill "I did not delate the last two paragraphs from my own original post in my answer, not cut & pate as such. It was an accident OK, certainly not intentional at all, so do not add to my inconvenience anymore.”
I am not sure how I have inconvenienced you.....not even sure what “do not add to my inconvenience” means
I am not sure how I have inconvenienced you.....not even sure what “do not add to my inconvenience” means
There isn't really even a question just a load of ranting of your personal opinion after the title- but to address the title- it depends if one is to examine it rationally.
I have friends and associates that wear the full veil and I have no problem communicating with them and can identify them from a distance. People in full veils don't worry me or frighten me, and I therefore would not shy away form interacting with them normally. I would be happy to be treated by a Dr for example wearing a Burkha. That however may not be true of everyone, some people clearly from the responses do not feel that way, so it would very much hinder communication. The question then stands as to whether those people ought to try to address their difficulties with that or should we ban full face veils? there isn't a religious reason in Islam to wear them, it's a cultural thing rather than something necessary to bieng a muslim, so it falls more to the right of the individual to dress as they please rather than any religious issue. Do we really want to start censoring what people wear? I would say no we do not in the broadest sense of things. I would say it is perhaps an exception when testifying in court, but even then I think the restriction would be tenuous.
I have friends and associates that wear the full veil and I have no problem communicating with them and can identify them from a distance. People in full veils don't worry me or frighten me, and I therefore would not shy away form interacting with them normally. I would be happy to be treated by a Dr for example wearing a Burkha. That however may not be true of everyone, some people clearly from the responses do not feel that way, so it would very much hinder communication. The question then stands as to whether those people ought to try to address their difficulties with that or should we ban full face veils? there isn't a religious reason in Islam to wear them, it's a cultural thing rather than something necessary to bieng a muslim, so it falls more to the right of the individual to dress as they please rather than any religious issue. Do we really want to start censoring what people wear? I would say no we do not in the broadest sense of things. I would say it is perhaps an exception when testifying in court, but even then I think the restriction would be tenuous.
Kvalidir: “The question then stands as to whether those people ought to try to address their difficulties with that or should we ban full face veils? I would say it is perhaps an exception when testifying in court, but even then I think the restriction would be tenuous”.
I do not actually advocate banning of all full-face veils in UK – only curtailing their use in certain jobs, specific transport & establishments, circumstances.
As I stated in my original post, I wrote: “Employers or organisations (like TV companies, healthcare, teaching, banks, cinemas) should be able to ban Niqab & Burka, or other religious symbols for various reasons, without having to face racial discrimination court action. Niqab & Burka hood, mask, helmet can hide the identity of a person, hence they should not be worn for photos required in passports, driving licence, travel & ID cards, etc, as well as for health & safety reasons”.
The reasons for the third paragraph above include considerations like - how can a professional's desired qualities that would include: establishing rapport, trust, openness, honesty, competence, integration into the society, sincerity be demonstrated (& even his/her identity) with the covering of facial features & expression? Surely not!
I do not actually advocate banning of all full-face veils in UK – only curtailing their use in certain jobs, specific transport & establishments, circumstances.
As I stated in my original post, I wrote: “Employers or organisations (like TV companies, healthcare, teaching, banks, cinemas) should be able to ban Niqab & Burka, or other religious symbols for various reasons, without having to face racial discrimination court action. Niqab & Burka hood, mask, helmet can hide the identity of a person, hence they should not be worn for photos required in passports, driving licence, travel & ID cards, etc, as well as for health & safety reasons”.
The reasons for the third paragraph above include considerations like - how can a professional's desired qualities that would include: establishing rapport, trust, openness, honesty, competence, integration into the society, sincerity be demonstrated (& even his/her identity) with the covering of facial features & expression? Surely not!
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