Free Tommy

[Theland]

https://youtu.be/6eB52Y7Zva8

There is not doubt Tommy is a political prisoner.
The support he is getting cant be ignored.
Now it is protests, next it will be violence.
People have reached breaking point.
Do you agree?

[vetuste_ennemi]

"Non sequitur" has a more precise meaning, Prudie, when discussing logical statements: it's a false inference, or an invalid conclusion derived from an initial proposition, and that's how it's usually used here. A poster is attacking another poster's line of reasoning.

This is a non sequitur: rape is a more serious crime than whatever Robinson's done, therefore Robinson shouldn't be punished when he breaks the law.

And this isn't: Rape is a more serious crime than anything Robinson has done, therefore it is more important[i to jail the rapists than it is to jail Robinson, and if you've only got the time and resources to get one [i]or] the other then get the rapist.

Those of us who assert the latter are often accused by the intellectually dishonest of saying the former.

[Spicerack]

It's hard to believe Andy has seen many (any) Tommy R videos.
Guess I've watched over a hundred and one of the things I like is his self-effacing manner. He regularly takes the michael out of his education, accent, vocabulary.
I've noticed that many lower middle class people hate the idea of working class people 'getting above their station'.
Journalists, for example, saying Tommy shouldn't be allowed to broadcast his opinions because he hasn't been to journalism school, shock horror, hasn't even been to university.
Must be particularly galling when practically no-one is interested in your scribblings but some oik from a building site regularly tops the best seller list.

[fiction-factory]

>Rape is a more serious crime than anything Robinson has done, therefore it is more important[i to jail the rapists than it is to jail Robinson, and if you've only got the time and resources to get one [i]or] the other then get the rapist.

If you are interested I have non disagreement with that statement except that the way the law works should be that all offences should be dealt with.

[Peter Pedant]

// "Non sequitur" has a more precise meaning, Prudie, when discussing logical statements: //

well we dont have many of them on AB , Prudie so I wouldnt worry.

and what is non-disagreement for chrissakes ?

not not A is A in logical propositions, but I am not sure "I dont not dislike cream scones" - or 'I aint said narfin' is amenable to strict analysis

[fiction-factory]

As a bystander it's interesting to note that the vitriol poured out on this thread against Tommy Robinson seems to be quite acceptable whereas similar against the perpetrators of these crimes is only dared by the most reactionary of ABers and is dismissed as bigotry

Prudie- I don't get your point, sorry. Okay maybe you didn't mean some ABers defend Muslim rapists- you just meant most do not criticise them strongly enough. I'm not sure how you measure people's views by what they don't say, but if it helps clarify my position I'm happy to say all grooming gangs are "thugs, guttersnipes " and digusing criminals who should be named and shamed then punished fully as a punishment and deterrent to others. Not posting such statements on every grooming gang thread doesn't mean I don't despise them- it may mean I haven't seen the thread or I felt there was nothing to add. And it may also be I have said it but people tend to look for and remember comments they can disagree with- or they make up things people haven't said like Naomi did yesterday

[vetuste_ennemi]

Welcome back to Bedlam, Mr Pedant.

Jabber, jabber, jabber.
Grunt, grunt, grunt.

Haven't seen you acknowledge the cover-up and the failures of the CPS.

Give us the views of a superior mind.

Runs off, squats in corner, starts pulling at his hair.

[Prudie]

Factor - calling Tommy nasty names does not get picked up on(the earlier parts of this thread is full of it).
Calling Muslim rapists and groomers nasty names does. I can't make it any clearer.

[fiction-factory]

Prudie- Tommy Robinson has lots of supporters on AB who jump on attempts to criticise him. It's not my perception that people who criticise grooming gangs nasty names are criticised. It seems to me everyone condemns the crime.

[Zacs-Master]

‘Can I add why is there a group on here who keep using this patronising look at me Latin phrase of Non Sequitur? No-one speaks like that, I don't know what it means and I'm certainly not going to google it so I can use it too‘

Possibly one of the best examples of showing ones ignorance and refusing to improve it by educating oneself. Or....cutting your nose off to spite your face.

[fiction-factory]

The term 'non-sequitur' has broadened in accepted usage from its original , but I would agree that some of the examples of non-sequiturs on here are actually false premises (incorrect propositions that form the basis of an argument or syllogism). Logicall fallacies abound on AB too. And people make things up about what posters have said and/or draw false inferences from things that are not said.

[naomi24]

//Journalists, for example, saying Tommy shouldn't be allowed to broadcast his opinions because he hasn't been to journalism school, shock horror, hasn't even been to university. //

I don’t know which journalists have said that but that certainly applies to other … erm … ‘ journalists’.

From what I’ve read here, Tommy’s critics, without exception, have either hidden behind ‘the law’ to attack him, or they’ve attacked him on a personal level - but not one – not one – has had the courage to attack his message. Let’s hear it critics. What is he saying that is so wrong – and moreover, why do you think it's wrong?

[Zacs-Master]

I’m sure there are examples but for the sake of argument. Tommy Robinson has broken the law and is an eejit. Tommy Robinson’s criticism of Muslim gangs sex crimes is well founded.

There.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The key moral point, Fiction Factory, is that the police turned a blind eye to the rape gangs for year.

The justice system can be efficient and expeditious when it chooses- e.g. Robinson.

Why can't it be at least equally efficient when dealing with organised rape?

[Theland]

Tommy is often described as, "extreme right wing," but that is just a label put on him by the media if they mention him at all.
All of our brainwashing, sorry, news, is carefully filtered to fit the agenda of the ruling elite.
Evidence? Well thousands march in support of Tommy, and a few weeks earlier the big rally in London also attracted thousands. Not a whisper from the media.
Every effort is made to play down the legitimate demands for freedom and an end to Islamism encroaching on our society.

[Prudie]

Thanks ZM only confirms where I slot you...

[dannyk13]

Theland, how on earth do you profess to be Christian and at the same time post views that do not equate with Christianity?

[ichkeria]

May I also protest at the use of the term ‘non sequitur’ - brought to this country by violent Italian immigrants centuries ago who would have us strangers in our own land.
What was the question again?

[Zacs-Master]

Likewise, Prudie.

[Zacs-Master]

Too bloody cold for them Ich.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Theland, how on earth do you profess to be Christian and at the same time post views that do not equate with Christianity?//

I've been asking myself the same question, Danny.
You had these verses in mind, didn't you:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away."

Good to see that you know your New Testament.