Red To Blue.

[Theland]

As a lifelong socialist, I am determined to never vote Labour whilst Corbyn is in charge.
I am disgusted with him. And so disappointed.

Today, I watched Theresa Mays speech at conference, and I could not fault it.
But, will her policies match her promises?
There are too many hardships from eight years of Tory rule. Breakdown of law and order, food banks, housing shortage, NHS problems to name just a few. Many more.
Thinking of turning from red to blue after a lifetime of supporting Labour.
All very confusing.
I need a Mrs May speech but delivered with lots of compassionate policies. For example, helping folk on benefits, relaxing such strict rules on benefits, and making great efforts to help the poor.

[shoota]

Just consider what the situation would be had we had a Labour government for those eight years.

[Theland]

What do you think?
A leadership failure, or aspiration failure?

[kvalidir]

We don't have any credible leaders tbh Theland, which plays into the hands of all of them because people see this and don't vote or they vote in a kneejerk way so the electorate is never properly represented.
I was a big Corbyn supporter initially, but he's lost the plot on several points and we need a change now, but that change cannot possibly be for Labour supporters to vote Tory, just look at what they have done and the self serving havoc they have wreaked.

[Theland]

Kval - I was delighted to see Corbyn elected, but his affinity to the EU, his anti semitism, his woolly words on every important subject, and his support for Palestinians over Israel, and terrorists leaves me feeling sick.

[kvalidir]

I don't think he has much of an affinity with the EU though Theland that's one thing I'd like to see changed, nor do I have a problem with him thinking Israel ought to wind it's neck in in Palestine, but that does not have to go hand on hand with rabid anti-semitism, I know plenty of Jews who feel that way. But some of his supporters are out of hand, viciously so and he has not done enough to curtail that, so for that alone he does not strike me as a credible leader; a leader is not led by a mob.

[Theland]

Palestine was offered a two state solution several times and rejected them all. There has never been a Palestinian state. When Jordan ruled the West Bank, they made no move to install Palestinians in it.
The PA leadership, and Hamas, have used their own people as pawns in their game to destroy Israel.
Israel left Gaza, and was immediately attacked by Katusha rockets from Gaza.
All the violence is initiated by the Palestinians, and Israel responds.
Corbyn refuses point blank to recognise the duplicity of the Palestinian leadership, and once again presents his vague wooly proposals for dialogue and rejects reality.
He seems deliberately vague to say something when he has nothing concrete to offer.

[jim360]

I don't think Corbyn can be described as having an affinity to the EU. He as spent most of his career against it, but Labour policy is generally pro-EU. Being leader, he tends to have to abide by that policy, but is clearly doing so only reluctantly.

I'm not intending to defend Corbyn any further (and, for that matter, even the above paragraph is meant as a criticism!), but I thought it worth setting the record straight on that point at least.

[Theland]

Jim - Thanks for that. Tony Benn was above all a democrat, and for that reason alone rejected the EU.
Corbyn should have stood by his principles and refused to lead the party that wanted to sign up to Europe.

[Old_Geezer]

Labour has been difficult to vote for, for some time now, but the Libs always seem to be pushing ridiculous ideas, and the Tories are always for business taking priority over the citizens; so there's likely no one worth encouraging who will be standing in your constituency. The issue has at least been bypassed in recent years because of Brexit and UKIP, but there's a possibility that won't be a work-around much longer. No wonder society is losing faith in the existing system. It's only referenda that brings a large % of voters out.

[spathiphyllum]

"But, will her policies match her promises?"

No. And she's already proved that. Think about her last promises.

[beso]

The major parties are all much the same being composed of people who have little concern for anything but their own aggrandisement so are easily bought by big business. They make slightly different promises which they break anyway.

[spathiphyllum]

Vote lib dems Theland, there are other parties, Red and blue at the moment are as bad as each other, give the others a consideration as they actually have some decent politics and humanity

[Jackdaw33]

As a dyed-in-the-wool Tory I will happily vote for Corbyn rather than the LDs.

[spathiphyllum]

protest votes

[Zacs-Master]

'But, will her policies match her promises?'

She'd be the first politician of any hue to make that happen.

Anyway, glad to see you come to your senses, Theland.

[saintpeter48]

I'm in a similar position to you and millions of others, I've been labour all of my life but voted UKIP the last couple of GEs, except last year when I chose not to vote. I just can't vote for Labour with Corbyn and Abbot at the helm, also my local MP, Alan Whitehead has been calling for another referendum on Europe!
I am against everything that the Tories stand for, May is full of broken promises and bullsh!t and the in fighting is incomprehensible!
Lib Dems are a big no no for me, Cable is a dinosaur and people still remember Clegg giving up all his principles for a bit of power!
So where does that leave voters like me, I truly believe that big changes need to be made in ALL of the parties, root and branch clear outs, get some young blood at the head of all 3 main parties, the same old cronies have had their day, time for change is NOW!!

[spathiphyllum]

So for you, Ukip got the protest vote?

[andy-hughes]

The main problem with Jeremy Corbyn is that he is not a politician, he is, and always has been, a professional rabble-rouser, and he has none of the pragmatism needed to actually lead anything.

[Old_Geezer]

UKIP would have got the vital, main, single issue, vote.

The expectation would be if other, domestic policies were messed up, and there's no reason to believe they would be, they should be far easier to fix afterwards than commiting our nation to subservience in an unelected European federal state and being shown up as irrelevant pushovers when it came to fighting our corner in negotiations.