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It ain't Answerbank out there in the real world for sure. These idiots would be happy to sit in the road all day debating the rights and wrongs of their unlawful actions whilst the rest of the population can go hang. They won't listen to reason and they care not one fig for others. They believe their cause is just and it is their right to inconvenienc
16:12 Thu 20th Jul 2023
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Taken from another post on JSO and the consequence of their actions.
People do die due to the selfish actions of unlawful road blockers .
//One caller told LBC's Andrew Pierce how his mother suffered a stroke and he got caught up by the disruption en route to get medical help.
"I was caught for about six hours in traffic. I was doing a mission of mercy to help my mother," the caller, Chris, said.
"I was there with my mother for six hours watching her slip away, and I could do nothing."
He added: "When we got her to the hospital, the doctors said if we were to have gotten to them within 90 minutes, her symptoms, her recovery would have been minimal."//
If people are going to needlessly die because of JSO then they should expect retribution of any type.
Taken from another post on JSO and the consequence of their actions.
People do die due to the selfish actions of unlawful road blockers .
//One caller told LBC's Andrew Pierce how his mother suffered a stroke and he got caught up by the disruption en route to get medical help.
"I was caught for about six hours in traffic. I was doing a mission of mercy to help my mother," the caller, Chris, said.
"I was there with my mother for six hours watching her slip away, and I could do nothing."
He added: "When we got her to the hospital, the doctors said if we were to have gotten to them within 90 minutes, her symptoms, her recovery would have been minimal."//
If people are going to needlessly die because of JSO then they should expect retribution of any type.
A lorry driver did indeed run one down TTT ... in Germany. The only reason that they are more active in the UK than any where else in the World is that they are confident of the support of the agencies that we pay to prevent such activities. It is therefor up to us to "dissuade" them from disrupting our right to travel. Don't forget, plod would be very happy indeed if non of us had cars or means of independent travel.
retrocop - // As usual AH. You do not consider the victims of this crime. And you do not seem to care about the potential consequences of their actions.
I recall very recently you telling us that Capital punishment is not the way in our civilised society for a murderer who had committed an abhorrent act on a female victim and killed her. When I put it to you what you would want done with the perpetrator if it was your daughter you immediately U turned and wanted your justice by hanging.
I gave a link on another JSO thread last week where a man phoned LBC to say that he watched his mother die in his car after a stroke. He was desperately trying to get her to hospital as I believe there was an ambulance strike. He was held up on the motorway by JSO supporters for a few hours. When he finely got his deceased mother to hospital after he had watched her die he was told by the casualty doctor if only he had got her ninety minutes earlier they may have saved her.
What if you were driving that car with your wife or daughter in a critical coma and they died in front of you because you were held up by the JSO mob. Would you feel so benevolent towards them? They deserve everything they get by fair means or foul. //
You seem intent on entirely refusing to answer my simple question, by yet again turning the scenario round on me.
I have already confirmed what I would do in the situation, so the debate really gains nothing by you repairing the same hypothetical, which I have answered previously.
From your last post, at the time of writing, you are once again condoning the use of violence by citizens on other citizens, which is against the law.
I am not interested in another long epistle of scenarios asking what i would do - that is simply evading a simple question.
How do you reconcile your avowed agreement with law-breaking, when you have spent your career arresting people for doing what you support in your retirement?
I recall very recently you telling us that Capital punishment is not the way in our civilised society for a murderer who had committed an abhorrent act on a female victim and killed her. When I put it to you what you would want done with the perpetrator if it was your daughter you immediately U turned and wanted your justice by hanging.
I gave a link on another JSO thread last week where a man phoned LBC to say that he watched his mother die in his car after a stroke. He was desperately trying to get her to hospital as I believe there was an ambulance strike. He was held up on the motorway by JSO supporters for a few hours. When he finely got his deceased mother to hospital after he had watched her die he was told by the casualty doctor if only he had got her ninety minutes earlier they may have saved her.
What if you were driving that car with your wife or daughter in a critical coma and they died in front of you because you were held up by the JSO mob. Would you feel so benevolent towards them? They deserve everything they get by fair means or foul. //
You seem intent on entirely refusing to answer my simple question, by yet again turning the scenario round on me.
I have already confirmed what I would do in the situation, so the debate really gains nothing by you repairing the same hypothetical, which I have answered previously.
From your last post, at the time of writing, you are once again condoning the use of violence by citizens on other citizens, which is against the law.
I am not interested in another long epistle of scenarios asking what i would do - that is simply evading a simple question.
How do you reconcile your avowed agreement with law-breaking, when you have spent your career arresting people for doing what you support in your retirement?
Exactly naomi. I do not have to justify anything to AH just to satisfy his constant sniping. He is full of questions but never comes up with solutions. Sitting at the wheel of your car waiting for the police to arrive to remove JSO is not an option if you have a loved one who is dying in front of you but be told later your mother would have survived if you got her here 90 minutes ago. But I suppose he is what he is.
retrocop - // Exactly naomi. I do not have to justify anything to AH just to satisfy his constant sniping. He is full of questions but never comes up with solutions. //
No, you do to have to 'justify anything' at all, I was merely asking a question, and that is not 'sniping', it is repeating the question because all you did was prevaricate, and so be it.
// Sitting at the wheel of your car waiting for the police to arrive to remove JSO is not an option if you have a loved one who is dying in front of you but be told later your mother would have survived if you got her here 90 minutes ago. But I suppose he is what he is. //
I am - and you what you are Retrocop.
And based on what you have posted here, and the fact that police service employed you, when I wonder why the police service is in such dire straits, and its morality and methods are questioned on a daily basis, I will think of you, and your posts here, and my question will be answered.
Not by you - but answered nevertheless.
No, you do to have to 'justify anything' at all, I was merely asking a question, and that is not 'sniping', it is repeating the question because all you did was prevaricate, and so be it.
// Sitting at the wheel of your car waiting for the police to arrive to remove JSO is not an option if you have a loved one who is dying in front of you but be told later your mother would have survived if you got her here 90 minutes ago. But I suppose he is what he is. //
I am - and you what you are Retrocop.
And based on what you have posted here, and the fact that police service employed you, when I wonder why the police service is in such dire straits, and its morality and methods are questioned on a daily basis, I will think of you, and your posts here, and my question will be answered.
Not by you - but answered nevertheless.
//I will draw my own conclusions.//
You probably would be wrong. Any other time you probably wouldn't be interested how I conducted myself as a former police officer so I wont bore you now but I do have two examples how we/I used common sense, thinking on our feet, fair judgement, acting on ones initiative, and managing to keep our head on our shoulders, compassion and allowed to use our discretion. Probably something you would be incapable of and would not last five minutes in the real world having spent all your time on AB behind a desk
You probably would be wrong. Any other time you probably wouldn't be interested how I conducted myself as a former police officer so I wont bore you now but I do have two examples how we/I used common sense, thinking on our feet, fair judgement, acting on ones initiative, and managing to keep our head on our shoulders, compassion and allowed to use our discretion. Probably something you would be incapable of and would not last five minutes in the real world having spent all your time on AB behind a desk
retrocop - // //I will draw my own conclusions.//
You probably would be wrong. Any other time you probably wouldn't be interested how I conducted myself as a former police officer so I wont bore you now but I do have two examples how we/I used common sense, thinking on our feet, fair judgement, acting on ones initiative, and managing to keep our head on our shoulders, compassion and allowed to use our discretion. Probably something you would be incapable of and would not last five minutes in the real world having spent all your time on AB behind a desk //
Let's just be clear what has happened here -
I asked you a simple straightforward question - it's how the site works.
I asked several times, and your response each time was a mixture of diversion, prevarication, wounded self-justification, and rudeness.
As I said, I have made up my own mind.
So not much point in you coming back again, piling on the snide sarcasm, and the inference that because I had a desk job, it makes me inferior to you.
I have reached my own conclusion based on your posts -
I am delighted that you, and hopefully many others who thought and acted like you, have either simply got too old, or been weeded out and dismissed, but by whatever means, are no longer able to assist in dragging the police force further into its biggest crisis in public confidence since its inception.
And I live in the fervent hope that whoever remains, is soon identified and removed, so that the service can begin to rebuild its shattered reputation, unhindered by the arrogance of people who are employed to act one way, upholding the law as it stands, but would really rather act in another, where vigilante attitudes rule, and violence on citizens by citizens is acceptable simply because people like you think it is.
Yes I did a desk job, and thank heavens for that - I never had to encounter you, or anyone like you, then or now.
You probably would be wrong. Any other time you probably wouldn't be interested how I conducted myself as a former police officer so I wont bore you now but I do have two examples how we/I used common sense, thinking on our feet, fair judgement, acting on ones initiative, and managing to keep our head on our shoulders, compassion and allowed to use our discretion. Probably something you would be incapable of and would not last five minutes in the real world having spent all your time on AB behind a desk //
Let's just be clear what has happened here -
I asked you a simple straightforward question - it's how the site works.
I asked several times, and your response each time was a mixture of diversion, prevarication, wounded self-justification, and rudeness.
As I said, I have made up my own mind.
So not much point in you coming back again, piling on the snide sarcasm, and the inference that because I had a desk job, it makes me inferior to you.
I have reached my own conclusion based on your posts -
I am delighted that you, and hopefully many others who thought and acted like you, have either simply got too old, or been weeded out and dismissed, but by whatever means, are no longer able to assist in dragging the police force further into its biggest crisis in public confidence since its inception.
And I live in the fervent hope that whoever remains, is soon identified and removed, so that the service can begin to rebuild its shattered reputation, unhindered by the arrogance of people who are employed to act one way, upholding the law as it stands, but would really rather act in another, where vigilante attitudes rule, and violence on citizens by citizens is acceptable simply because people like you think it is.
Yes I did a desk job, and thank heavens for that - I never had to encounter you, or anyone like you, then or now.
//but by whatever means, are no longer able to assist in dragging the police force further into its biggest crisis in public confidence since its inception.//
The biggest crisis in public confidence is because of management who think as you do. Idiots who have come out of university and have never had hands on experience with dealing with the public.
With your arrogant pompous lofty attitude you would not last 5 mins in the human jungle.
Yes you can sit in your car for all day drumming your fingers waiting for the police to arrive to remove JSO. You will happy to see the present day police offering them succour and comfort whilst providing them with tea and bikkies and don't' give a toss about your delay.
Our way of dealing with this worked a darn site better and ensured the free flow of traffic which was what we were tasked to do.
I have no need for you to lecture me on the rights and wrongs of how police conduct themselves in the past and future. I have been there and you haven't and probably you would be disbarred of holding the office of constable because of your attitude and ignorance of how the real world operates.
The biggest crisis in public confidence is because of management who think as you do. Idiots who have come out of university and have never had hands on experience with dealing with the public.
With your arrogant pompous lofty attitude you would not last 5 mins in the human jungle.
Yes you can sit in your car for all day drumming your fingers waiting for the police to arrive to remove JSO. You will happy to see the present day police offering them succour and comfort whilst providing them with tea and bikkies and don't' give a toss about your delay.
Our way of dealing with this worked a darn site better and ensured the free flow of traffic which was what we were tasked to do.
I have no need for you to lecture me on the rights and wrongs of how police conduct themselves in the past and future. I have been there and you haven't and probably you would be disbarred of holding the office of constable because of your attitude and ignorance of how the real world operates.
retrocop - // //but by whatever means, are no longer able to assist in dragging the police force further into its biggest crisis in public confidence since its inception.//
The biggest crisis in public confidence is because of management who think as you do. Idiots who have come out of university and have never had hands on experience with dealing with the public.
With your arrogant pompous lofty attitude you would not last 5 mins in the human jungle.
Yes you can sit in your car for all day drumming your fingers waiting for the police to arrive to remove JSO. You will happy to see the present day police offering them succour and comfort whilst providing them with tea and bikkies and don't' give a toss about your delay.
Our way of dealing with this worked a darn site better and ensured the free flow of traffic which was what we were tasked to do.
I have no need for you to lecture me on the rights and wrongs of how police conduct themselves in the past and future. I have been there and you haven't and probably you would be disbarred of holding the office of constable because of your attitude and ignorance of how the real world operates. //
You are consistent - your rudeness, your arrogance, and your pomposity are all of the same standard, which is not to your credit, but it does highlight who, and what you are.
You had your chance to answer a simple question - it was you who got lost in a cul-de-sac of huffing self-righteousness and arrogance, and there you remain, and your posts on here are ample evidence of it.
I inadvertently may have upset another AB'er in my wording, which may have got lost in translation on the 'Printer' thread - I have no such reservations about my posts to you, I meant every single word of all of them.
Sleep well.
The biggest crisis in public confidence is because of management who think as you do. Idiots who have come out of university and have never had hands on experience with dealing with the public.
With your arrogant pompous lofty attitude you would not last 5 mins in the human jungle.
Yes you can sit in your car for all day drumming your fingers waiting for the police to arrive to remove JSO. You will happy to see the present day police offering them succour and comfort whilst providing them with tea and bikkies and don't' give a toss about your delay.
Our way of dealing with this worked a darn site better and ensured the free flow of traffic which was what we were tasked to do.
I have no need for you to lecture me on the rights and wrongs of how police conduct themselves in the past and future. I have been there and you haven't and probably you would be disbarred of holding the office of constable because of your attitude and ignorance of how the real world operates. //
You are consistent - your rudeness, your arrogance, and your pomposity are all of the same standard, which is not to your credit, but it does highlight who, and what you are.
You had your chance to answer a simple question - it was you who got lost in a cul-de-sac of huffing self-righteousness and arrogance, and there you remain, and your posts on here are ample evidence of it.
I inadvertently may have upset another AB'er in my wording, which may have got lost in translation on the 'Printer' thread - I have no such reservations about my posts to you, I meant every single word of all of them.
Sleep well.
