how bad is the uk now to live in?

[legend760]

hoodies stabbing and shooting young kids their own age.
a disgrace.
hang them or shgoot them.
a life for a life.
mothers mourning their 15 and 16 year old sons is a disgrace.
we need to stop the rot.
its a disgrace to humanity

[nat_84]

I totally agree... and with a child on the way myself my partner and myself are seriously considering a future if not out of London then out of the UK all together.

What can we do to stop these youths is the question....?

I live in quite a decent area of London (finchley road/west hampstead) and recently saw a police sign on my road that an elderly man had been beaten and robbed
...the sort of thing that NEVER used to appear on my quiet residential road.

My mum used to pop up the shops every now and then, after dark, to get a pint of milk for example, but now i refuse to let her go simply because i'd be worried sick.

My parents were telling me yesterday that i'm lucky to be bringing up a little girl rather than a boy in this day and age and i sort of agree. I worry about my 24 year old brother when he's out and so do my parents...

All these murders have happened all over London, not just one part (waiting for a murder to happen next week in North London - which i believe is the only area in the past couple of months not to have had a victim!), unfortunately no one can seem to put their finger on the key problem...

It sickens me, frustrates me, scares me but sadly it doesnt surprise me anymore.

[Octavius]

Actually what we have is an abuse of our civil liberties and a breakdown in our moral culture.

A disgrace to humanity would be the experience of living in Iraq. We have it good.

[badgerchops]

i used to think it was because these kids aged 14-17 had nothing to do. i used to do a music dj-ing workshop and couldnt fill the place with kids wanting something to do. i thought it was helping and in a way it did. it stopped cos of funding problems.
But even now i think despite all the activiites we could give them kids are tough nowdays. They have to be tough or be beaten. its gone to the whole other level now as weapons are pretty much everyday life in london. I know alot of kids in london who carry a knife for protection. This can get out of hand as the slightest thing gets them to show they are carrying something.

Obviously all the reported killings are about an unsuspecting victim who is being ambushed. i dont know how we can stop this. Half the time i think its about poverty in the fact that they are robbing people for a mobile, or a wallet which may only contain a fiver. if they had a job, prospects, goverment funding for something then they wouldnt need to rob people so much.

We need more police presence, more goverment funding for achievements in under eighteens and harsher punishments

[pussnboots]

Question like this one on Socoety & Culture...'Youth of Today' posted by Toleman...have a look.

[nat_84]

I dont even think it's all about money to be honest - i think its about "street-cred" and "representing" thier area and so called "respect" from their fellow gang members.

Adam Regis the latest victim of murder in East London was stabbed but not robbed. He had all his possesions on him - moble phone included.

I think a couple of the previous murders were probably in relation to drug money and deals. I went to not a great London comprehensive school and knew a lot of boys were dealing drugs - which was earning them a RIDICULOUS amount of money - more than they could ever dream of....and more than they would earn doing a standard job at their age - so i think they find it difficult to get out of it - the worry is how they got involved in it in the first place....

[legend760]

i still think it all, comes down to parental control.

cant remember 14 year olds being allowed to roam around at midnight ,carrying knives and beating up old folk.
they are unwanted by their parents and society i think too

[Toleman]

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Cul ture/Question380047.html

[naomi24]

I don't think it's about money - these kids won't wear clothes that don't have the right label, and they all have their mobile phones and ipods. I don't think it's about government funding or lack of jobs either. It's about basic education and discipline - which starts in the home. The problem is street cred, and this big thing 'respect' - but 'respect' to them doesn't mean respect for everyone - it only means 'respect' for those who are harder and more violent than themselves. Once children go to school, those parents who do raise their kids with decent standards, and keep them off the streets at night, have a real problem on their hands to protect them from the influences of this appalling culture, and I think it's very, very sad.

[derekpara]

Have you noticed that knife attacks have increased since 'Stop and Search' was curtailed ?

It's going to take a long while to deal with the root causes of youth disorder but we can make it much more risky for people to carry weapons by restoring Stop and Search powers and imposing very heavy prison sentences for carrying a weapon. Prison overcrowding ? Simple =build more prisons.

And let's stop pussy-footing around- more black boys would be stopped because this IS predominantly a black issue.

[garner]

Oh come on what can you expect........Parents cannot hit their children......teachers cannot hit children......police cannot hit children, where I used to live as a child if the local bobbie caught you doing anything wrong it was a clip round the ear hole...if you misbehaved in the class there was the treat of the cane and if your parents found you did something wrong you were grounded or a smack on the legs, none of the terrible things what are happening today did not happen then or if they did it was rare.I think it speaks for itself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jake-the-peg]

It's apalling -

Teddy boys with cut throat razors slicing people up

Mods and rockers rioting along Brighton Seafront

Hells angels killing earch other

Football "fans" rioting and killing each other

Oh sorry that was the 50's 60's 70's and 80's wasn't it?

What was the question again?

[madz]

jake peg i agree violence and the young has always been a problem, i think it unfair to tar all "hoodies" with the same brush, i know many of these so called "hoodies" who are just decent young people who just want to get on with their lives and don't want any trouble but it can be difficult to keep sane when you have been stopped and searched by the police ten times in one day(i am not exxagerating) and this still happens, i didn't know that stop and search has been stopped but it still happens, many youngsters who carry knives are just scared and have no intention of using them and this does result in more cases of fights turning nasty . i agree that a digrace to humanity would be living in iraq, this is just another cycle of angry young men. Todays youth culture seems to be more involved with cannabis especially the stronger variations unlike in my youth when it was acid and ecstasy, we just wanted to have huge parties, remember when the raves were the scurge of the nation and a national disgrace, every generation has it's own route and we must not judge them, but try to help. i think the national disgrace is more one of in equality, the private schoolboys of hampstead can gather in rather intimidating hordes on a friday and saturday night, they can vandalise, threaten and generally act attrociusly all within the watching eye of the local police to make sure they dont get mugged, whereas the kids of kentish town are routinely treated as criminals just because they want to sit on a bench with their friends, is this right? is it possible that in this age the law is up for sale to the highest bidder and provided that your account contains a few zeros your bad behaviour is just considered "high jinks".

[Beria]

"hoodies stabbing and shooting young kids their own
age.
a disgrace.
hang them or shoot them."


Okay - can you see what a prick you're being?