Thank you Ken

[ruby27]

Well done for organising RISE

[whiffey]

Yes thanks Ken, and it's good to be reminded of it every 3 minutes on LBC, and that it's the largest such festival in Europe, and of greater newsworthiness than approaching floods.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Easy for you to say from your confortable armchair.

[Nathan_Adler]

What does RISE stand for. Is it Ruddy Israel-Sharia Excellent??

I hope he dies and very soon.

[flip_flop]

And the question is?

Or did you justg everybody to marvel at your cringeworthy sycophancy?

[flip_flop]

That should, of course, be "just want..."

Were Jewish people allowed to attend?

[WaldoMcFroog]

No, I imagine Ken personally escorted any Jews that dared turn up to a waiting mobile gas chamber...

Is that what you want to hear?

[flip_flop]

Yes, thank you.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Amazingly, that's not actually true. Not only that, you'll probably be even less happy to hear about the event in the Jewish Museum that they were promoting as a part of the festival then, almost like there was no anti-Jewish agenda there at all.

[ruby27]

Waldo McFrogg
I assume you are referring to whiffey's comfortable western armchair not mine which I hardly mention on here.

[ruby27]

flip_flop, true is wasn't a proper question but I am hardly the first person gulity of that misdemenour.

by the way sycophancy usually relates to trying to impress someone in authority, for purpose of some gain/reward. Whilst Ken may use AB, no idea, he is hardly going to know who I am through my username so my efforts have been wasted.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Yes, Ruby - Whiffey has a peculiar obsession with chairs for some reason.

[flip_flop]

I stand corrected - I apologise for using a word out of context: How about vomit inducing nausea brought on by the cringeworthy sentiment of your post?

Why on earth would you thank somebody who will not see your thanks? How peculiar. Or is your thanksgiving the same as people thanking the Lord? Is Ken your God?

[ruby27]

flip_flop
gosh did you get out of bed the wrong way this morning?

I did it because I wanted to make it public that for whatever faults the man may have, he was in my opinion very right to organise a festival that was anti racism. Racism is a battle that all white people should be fighting (my opinion) and this was an opportunity to do something positive. No it didn't solve all the world ills, but it created an opportunity for some to get out of their armchairs and away from the pc/tv.

The guy may be a jerk in every other area of his life, dunno never really cared as I don't live any where near London.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Racism is a battle *all* people should be fighting, not just white people, otherwise it doesn't work!

[ruby27]

Yes, but I think more emphasis has to be on white people as racism is usually perpetrated by white people, acts of hostility may be perpetrated by black people but it is not the same as the politics of racism. In the same way men should take responsibility for sexism, the wealthy for the plight of those in poverty. But, I certainly wouldn't want if there was a power shift, the acts of inequality and oppression then being used by previous victims.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Doesn't that just cast non-whites/women/the poor as passive victims of the various -isms, though?

The way you've phrased it also ignores the fact that you can get one non-white group being racist towards another non-white group. And you can undoubtedly get non-whites being racist towards whites. If you don't have universally applied notions of appropriate behavoiur, you're likely to lurch from one group being dominant, to another being dominant.

Emmyline Pankhurst didn't wait for men to give women the vote, Martin Luther King didn't wait for whites to stop being racist, and trade unionism didn't wait for the bosses to suddently come to their senses and start paying better wages etc.

We all have a responsibility for these things, not least of which is a personal responsibility surely?

[ruby27]

No, I certainly do not think the victims of ism's should be passive. If that is the impression I gave its lack of ability to express myself.

Racism is wrong, not because it is perpetrated in the main by white people, if it was the other way round it would still be wrong as a way of behaving.

I agree we all have personal responsibility but some of us are more powerful and influential than others. Those with the most influence and power will have the greatest effect.

[whiffey]

ruby27, incredibly, wrote:

"Yes, but I think more emphasis has to be on white people as racism is usually perpetrated by white people, acts of hostility may be perpetrated by black people but it is not the same as the politics of racism. "

Are you for real ? I leapt out of my armchair at that one !

[ruby27]

whiffey, actually I am not real, I am a bad dream.


I think your incredulity about my opinions is probably matched by mine about yours. I am loony left you are reactionary right.

[whiffey]

One thing I do react to, along with increasingly more people, is the way it is continually forced upon us. Every white vs non-white disagreement is racism, the other way around is - plain hostility ?

You've won the argument don't you see, there's no need to keep rubbing it in with massive rallies. As I have asked on here before, what on earth happens when the majority becomes the minority, as is the case in many areas, do we still get these huge rallies. This is more like four legs good, two legs bad.