The trouble with equality.

[123everton]

The trouble with equality is that when you espouse it you have to persuade others that they're not coming down to your level.
Is that a fair statement?

[sandyRoe]

Champagne socialists want to lift everyone to their level.

[craft1948]

Women who want equality lack ambition.....

[naomi24]

Oh you are both soooo right!!!!! Haaa! :o)

[sandyRoe]

But you have to think: would there be enough champagne to go round?

[society]

There's no trouble with equality. Equality is all about fairness.

[woofgang]

no its a silly statement

[jake-the-peg]

These are straw man arguments.

Pretentending that those who want equality of opportunity want everybody to be the same.

Most people who espouse opportunity just want everbody to have the same chances in life.

That's pretty difficult when you realise what it involves - because people will fight tooth anad nail to give their children an advantage fair or unfair.

That is the real problem with equality

[naomi24]

I don't espouse equality. It's a silly notion. Civilised society wouldn't survive without those who provide the jobs - and it wouldn't survive without the dustman either.

[boxtops]

Equality of personal dignity is a good thing though - I respect my dustmen for doing a job that I wouldn't want to do.

[jake-the-peg]

Sorry meant to say those who esposuse equality really want equality of opportunity.

Anybody for or against that?

[naomi24]

Oh yes indeed Boxtops.

[naomi24]

No, I'm not against that Jake if the talent or the ability is genuine, but unfortunately these days political correctness often determines the outcome of a situation. For example, I don't believe that university places should be available to all regardless of academic ability, and I think the best person for the job should get it regardless of social class, gender, culture, colour, age, or anything else, etc. Nothing annoys me more than organisations that draw up women only lists of candidates, or lists that only include ethnic minorities!! That's not equal opportunity. It's patronising! Frankly, if people can't get there on their own ability, then they have no business being there.

[jake-the-peg]

You're for that?

Really? have you thought it through?

You want to stop the children of rich people going to better schools or do you want us all to fund everybody's children going to them?

Equality of opportunity conflicts with freedom of choice

[society]

"You want to stop the children of rich people going to better schools or do you want us all to fund everybody's children going to them?"

No disrespect meant to you Jake but that ^^^ sounds very communist.

[naomi24]

Jake, oh yes, believe me I've thought it through, and no, I don't want to stop the children of the rich going to better schools. I deplore this nonsensical culture of 'because I can't have it, you shouldn't have it either'. Actually, I would very much like to see grammar schools reinstated because within their confines lay real equal opportunity, but unfortunately in their efforts to achieve the unachievable the unthinking 'powers that be' did the working class a massive disservice when they decided to ditch them. Denying the children of the wealthy that which their parents in all likelihood have worked hard for is no solution. That doesn't give others equal opportunity. Far from offering excellence for all, it results in mediocre across the board. What people who bang on about 'equality' fail to take into account is something called 'life'. There have always been the well off and the less well off - and there always will be.

[sandyRoe]

The Public Schools where the children of the rich are educated have charitable status. That means that the dustman, with children at a bog standard comp, is actually paying to educate the children of his betters.
The world is ill divided.

[naomi24]

According to the government website about 50% of public schools have charitable status, so not all. Those that do offer free education to gifted children from poor backgrounds.

Society is always ill divided - even under the most austere communist regime.

[murraymints]

No probs; all women will be equally superior to men !

[ludwig]

I agree with everything Naomi said.

[123everton]

I'm more interested in expressing that people are equal, not so much to do with wages(although wage inequality is a huge problem in this country), just because someone's a bin man doesn't make them in any way inferior to a lawyer or a nurse etc.
Like the acronym G.A.Y, the notion because others are different, they may even be different in ways we neither like or understand, doesn't mean that one is superior to the other.
Why is that so difficult for some to comprehend?
Is it because they're always right?