What would make you lose your faith – or what caused you to lose it?

[naomi24]

Does anyone watch Four Thought TV? I watch it when I’m cooking dinner. It’s a five minute slot at the end of the 7pm Channel 4 news, described by the programme makers as a “series of highly personal short films, broadcast daily, reflecting on a broad range of religious and ethical issues, and aspects of our spiritual lives. These films challenge some traditional views, providing a platform for both scepticism and devout religious beliefs.”

This week’s topic is ‘Reasons for losing your faith.’ Last night a Science teacher, a former Muslim, said when he was at school, he could never accept that the non-Muslim children were going to hell, but the defining moment came for him when he ate bacon for the first time and realised that he was responsible for leading his own life.

Tonight we had a Roman Catholic who, during his childhood, had held great affection for a particular priest, and had held him in very high regard, only to discover years later that the priest had been a paedophile.

So, what would make you lose your faith – or what caused you to lose it?

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //Why not this person goes back and asks his parents that where would he end up now?//

Why would he? Independent adults don’t rely upon their parents. He was speaking from a childhood perspective – and now that he’s no longer a child, he’s intelligent enough to know his own mind. You simply can’t get your head around people who make the rational decision to abandon Islam, can you Keyplus?

//As for puberty again, that is the EARLIEST someone should consider marrying and not the LATEST as you are suggesting.//

I haven’t suggested that at all. You’re making it up again.

//why not start a different thread instead of talking about it on every single thread here and there//

There’s already a thread where this is being discussed – but you’ve declined to return to it.

http://www.theanswerb...uestion1120710-8.html

//you do not have a suitable answer to my questions.//

Which questions haven’t I answered?

//There is clearly a difference between marrying and having sex//

There is? Not in this instance. Your link, and your attitude towards it, says far more about your mentality than that of the poor little girls listed. The children on that appalling indictment of the evil immorality of sick minds are the victims of rape and the sole reason there aren’t many Muslim names there is because those men of Islam who harbour a perverted sexual penchant for young children ask naïve fathers like you to give their daughters to them in marriage - and you agree because Mohammed did it and the Koran condones it – and therefore, according to you, marriage makes it not only acceptable, but also respectable. Well, it’s neither. It’s depraved. The children that people like you marry off to grown men become the victims of the unimaginable pain of sexual abuse perpetrated by grown men upon a fragile and immature body – albeit by their so-called ‘husbands’. Only very sick minds see little girls as sexual objects – and only very sick men have sex with children. Sort your brain out, Keyplus, for goodness sake! You have nothing to be proud of.

DT, // if he continues the personal insults//

He’s posted insults regularly since he came here four years ago – I’m used to it. He rarely posts on a thread here without resorting to his silly nonsense. Such tactics are often the last resort of the scoundrel – but in Keyplus’ case, they are the first.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I'm obviously the one who is weak on logic. Let's think about this. In Peru, 1957, Hilda Trujillo aged 9 years 7 months was raped by her cousin. Therefore it is correct for fifty-three year old men (especially, but not necessarily, those who have revelations from God) to have sex with nine year old girls. Yup, think I've got my head round that one. As JC (Julius not the other one) would have said: sequitur. For those who lack a moral compass that is Latin for "it follows".

[naomi24]

VE, Keyplus has posted a link to a list of young rape victims whom he seems to think were promiscuous. Had they been given in marriage by their stupid fathers to their perverted attackers, in his opinion, that would have made the appalling crimes acceptable and the girls respectable. Words - in any language - fail me.

[ummmm]

It wasn't even about marriage. He insinuated that these poor little girls were cheap tarts for getting pregnant out of wedlock.

[naomi24]

Ummmm, Keyplus posted that link to illustrate the promiscuity of young girls outside Islam. He said: //There is clearly a difference between marrying and having sex//

So as long as any abuse is perpetrated within the respectable bounds of marriage, he’s happy. If it isn’t, the girl is promiscuous and the man is, of course, blameless. So what’s the answer? Marry your daughters off at a young age to the perverted men who want to have sex with children. That prevents ‘promiscuity’, and hence you’ll never find a list of Islamic victims of child rape because they are all married – and that makes depravity respectable. That is one warped mind!

[RATTER15]

Keyplus, your views and your faith on this subject make me want to physically be sick!!!!!

And these sick perverts say Atheist have no morals!!!!

[boxtops]

I was interested to see on a link the other day that in the Middle Ages in England, girls were married well before puberty (particularly in rich households) - but they didn't "go to their husbands" until some years later. Not so much difference here, then.

[naomi24]

Boxy, there's a great deal of difference here. Are you condoning what Keyplus promotes?

[RATTER15]

Boxy, a very big difference! that was the middle ages!!

[DTCwordfan]

Keyplus is hiding behind his Thoub and Shumagg after his so meaningful, worldly considerations on this subject.

I guess that it really shows the mind that he has, the sick warped and unbalanced views. Who in their right mind wants to marry a 13 year old, except perhaps a 15 year old......thank goodness we have some sense of decency in our laws in the West.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Yes, Naomi,it's hard to credit, isn't it? The misogyny we all know about (he's never attempted to disguise it), but the total inability to feel empathy for child victims of rape puts him in the category of sociopath. Did you ever read Capote's "In Cold Blood"?
Meanwhile I've ordered two books by Karen Armstrong, one on Islam and one a life of Mohammed. I'm interested to find out what an Islamic apologist with an IQ measured in three digits has to say on the prophet's sexual predilections.

[naomi24]

DT, it's worse than that. We're talking about 9 year olds.

[boxtops]

Hold on guys, I'm not condoning anything, only making an observation - if anything, I was drawing a parallel between marriage practices in our own mediaeval times, and the times of Mohammed, as cited - some of which have changed for the better, and some of which haven't.

[DTCwordfan]

I know - It was his remark about puberty though being the defining age.

Quite frankly, his views merit a long suspension from here and possibly more.

[naomi24]

VE, This makes we want to weep. I cannot find the words to describe my thoughts.

//Did you ever read Capote's "In Cold Blood"?//

No, but if you’re recommending it, I will.

I’m reading Karen Armstrong’s book on the life of Mohammed now. I don’t know if you’ve read any of her books, but in general they are not critiques. She tends to write from the perspective of the people she’s writing about, so you’ll probably find the book written from rather an apologist viewpoint in the main. (Actually, some of it makes me quite sick!).

Boxy, we’re not talking about medieval times or Mohammed’s times. This is happening right now – and it’s happening in this country because men like Keyplus see nothing wrong in it. There is no excuse.

[vetuste_ennemi]

DT, his views should not be censored. They are a warning to all of us (and I include the majority of decent Muslims in "us") of the dangers inherent in religious fundamentalism.

[DTCwordfan]

No I said they merit, not that they should, VE.......and yes I agree, it does show up fundamentalism, whatever the religion.