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The building of the ark likely coincided with Noah’s service as “a preacher of righteousness,” keeping him and his family acted in faith.busy for the last 40 to 50 years before the Flood. (Genesis 5:32; 6:13-22) And Noah ,was warning the wicked for a period of decades before the Flood arrived and wiped out the corrupt system.
Likewise Jesus Christ made a comparison between the days of Noah and the last days, where we now find ourselves.
He said: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”(Matt 24:37)
Naomi-you will be asking how many trees next.
But a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. Moses preserved the true account in Genesis. Sometime after the Flood, when God-defying people built the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language and scattered them “over all the surface of the earth.” (Ge 11:9) It was only natural that these people took with them stories of the Flood and passed them on from father to son.
The fact that there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a strong proof that all these people had a common origin and that their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.
Likewise Jesus Christ made a comparison between the days of Noah and the last days, where we now find ourselves.
He said: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”(Matt 24:37)
Naomi-you will be asking how many trees next.
But a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. Moses preserved the true account in Genesis. Sometime after the Flood, when God-defying people built the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language and scattered them “over all the surface of the earth.” (Ge 11:9) It was only natural that these people took with them stories of the Flood and passed them on from father to son.
The fact that there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a strong proof that all these people had a common origin and that their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.
here I go again, insisting on empirical evidence. Such a pest, I know - but not everywhere shows physical evidence for having experienced catastrophic flooding during the last 15,000 years. This is roughly the time that covers social and economic change that led to the creation of large settlements ie what you might call 'civilisation'.
There's good evidence for this kind of flooding in the Black Sea, the Persian Gulf and in the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates. These are also bang on the area where the flood story seems to originate. The Black Sea and the Persian Gulf both became inundated as the last Ice Age ended and as is the case with events of this sort, their inundation appears to be a mixture of gradual incursions interspersed with rapid coastline changes ie alarming floods.
Surveys around the floodplains of the Tigris and Euphrates show great depths of alluvium suggesting periodic flooding in the past.
In ancient India, experience of tropical storms and monsoons makes it reasonable to see how a flood story might become a folk story then a get built into cosmology. Again there is good evidence for the early emergence of large settlements that would feel the effect of such disasters.
But there is no evidence to suggest that catastrophes occurred in these two regions simultaneously.
I thought Lumley's programme was interesting if a bit drawn out, and above all it reinforced for me the spurious nature of the sites associated with the topic - no empirical dating evidence + no excavation archiveor field notes to interrogate= no case.
There's good evidence for this kind of flooding in the Black Sea, the Persian Gulf and in the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates. These are also bang on the area where the flood story seems to originate. The Black Sea and the Persian Gulf both became inundated as the last Ice Age ended and as is the case with events of this sort, their inundation appears to be a mixture of gradual incursions interspersed with rapid coastline changes ie alarming floods.
Surveys around the floodplains of the Tigris and Euphrates show great depths of alluvium suggesting periodic flooding in the past.
In ancient India, experience of tropical storms and monsoons makes it reasonable to see how a flood story might become a folk story then a get built into cosmology. Again there is good evidence for the early emergence of large settlements that would feel the effect of such disasters.
But there is no evidence to suggest that catastrophes occurred in these two regions simultaneously.
I thought Lumley's programme was interesting if a bit drawn out, and above all it reinforced for me the spurious nature of the sites associated with the topic - no empirical dating evidence + no excavation archiveor field notes to interrogate= no case.
ChillDoubt. You're welcome.
Goodlife, here's a thought. Because he made a mistake and was unhappy with the result of his handiwork, God destroyed most of mankind intending to start again - but it didn't work did it, because here we are, according to you, all wicked and all doomed. God clearly didn't know what would happen the first time around - nor the second. What a waste of time.
Goodlife, here's a thought. Because he made a mistake and was unhappy with the result of his handiwork, God destroyed most of mankind intending to start again - but it didn't work did it, because here we are, according to you, all wicked and all doomed. God clearly didn't know what would happen the first time around - nor the second. What a waste of time.
It is quite common for worldly persons who care little about God.
You see of all of human dignity, however, are not limited to the barbaric acts that have stained man’s history.
They often make their ugly appearance in more subtle ways. Think of the child who is taunted because of some physical characteristic. Or the immigrant who is ridiculed for certain “foreign” customs. Or the individual who suffers discrimination on account of his skin color or nationality. The perpetrators may view the matter as a joke, but the pain and humiliation felt by those being thus vilified are no laughing matter.—Proverbs 26:18, 19.
You see of all of human dignity, however, are not limited to the barbaric acts that have stained man’s history.
They often make their ugly appearance in more subtle ways. Think of the child who is taunted because of some physical characteristic. Or the immigrant who is ridiculed for certain “foreign” customs. Or the individual who suffers discrimination on account of his skin color or nationality. The perpetrators may view the matter as a joke, but the pain and humiliation felt by those being thus vilified are no laughing matter.—Proverbs 26:18, 19.
Naomi@
//Because he made a mistake and was unhappy with the result of his handiwork, God destroyed most of mankind intending to start again //
I don't think that was the reason. From my recollection of the account,
angels came from heaven and cohabited with the women, thereby bringing forth a generation which was wicked and ungodly. They were warned by Noah but refused to listen. Only Noah & his family were righteous and so saved. If God was disappointed in his creation, why not just get rid of the lot rather than save only 8?
//Because he made a mistake and was unhappy with the result of his handiwork, God destroyed most of mankind intending to start again //
I don't think that was the reason. From my recollection of the account,
angels came from heaven and cohabited with the women, thereby bringing forth a generation which was wicked and ungodly. They were warned by Noah but refused to listen. Only Noah & his family were righteous and so saved. If God was disappointed in his creation, why not just get rid of the lot rather than save only 8?
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