Why So Many Viewpoints?

[goodlife]

Why there are such varying views as to what is a Christian is that many do not understand why God has permitted evil or wickedness and so they are taken in by the arguments of atheists. (1 Cor. 1: 27)

[vulcan42]

goodlife, my question to you was about the bible in latin which has had an indirect influence on millions of people (your words). Your answer relates to the latin words in the bible.

[jomifl]

Amazing stuff GL, I thought the similarity between many of the modern languages and latin was just a co-incidence brought about by the lack of letters available. :o)

[goodlife]

That why “faith is not a possession of all people,” for they have no basis upon which to develop it.— Hebrews 11: 39. Simple.

[locusts]

Atalanta //There wasn't just one bible - there were thousands of versions. When printing was invented, one of the first things to be printed was the bible. The first european printers had literally thousands of manuscript versions to choose from - and that's only the accepted books and gospels. ( Never mind the stuff like the gospel of Thomas, for instance ). Manuscript writers had varied the words and spellings, translators had varied the translations, copiers had copied mistakes and added mistakes of their own, some had tried to correct original mistakes and got them wrong - so the printers did the best they could and came up with just one or two versions of the mish-mash. 
Take just one example - the Greek word in the gospels used for "betray" to describe what Judas did is not commonly translated as "betray", but simply as " hand over". If that is all that Judas actually did, the crucifixion itself needs a complete re-think.


Locusts // you say( Atalanta) this was aright mish-mash. Of the translations // the translations got it right /think / that the world "betray fits it perfect / if you read the hole chapter /Judas hand over a Incident man/sold a man for money and had him executed //is that not betray /betrayer /betraying / Traitor /and Judas killed his friend /rely Judas was no friend he was thief and a lire
Matt 26. 45 Then he cometh to his disciples, and saith to them: Sleep ye now and take your rest; behold the hour is at hand, and the Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of sinners.
46 Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale
http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/index.html
From greek - Latin // William Tyndale Martyred //Translating The Bible into English

Martin Luther had a small head-start on Tyndale, as Luther declared his intolerance for the Roman Church’s corruption on Halloween in 1517, by nailing his 95 Theses of Contention to the Wittenberg Church door. Luther, who would be exiled in the months following the Diet of Worms Council in 1521 that was designed to martyr him, would translate the New Testament into German for the first time from the 1516 Greek-Latin New Testament of Erasmus, and publish it in September of 1522. Luther also published a German Pentateuch in 1523, and another edition of the German New Testament in 1529. In the 1530’s he would go on to publish the entire Bible in German.

So I do not think it is mish-mash.//if we look for good information

[chrisgel]

^^ More cut & paste.

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/martin-luther.html

Are their no original thoughts?

[vulcan42]

I have come to the conclusion that goodlife,locusts and others do not have an original thought. It is so much easier to copy and paste something that resembles an answer but is usually irrelevant to the question asked. By adding "simple" at the end goodlife suggests we are too stupid and/or ignorant to understand, more Christianity tolerance at it's best.

[Peter Pedant]

Goodlife you naughty boy:
1 Cor 1 . 27 is

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

I see absolutely diddly squat about atheism - not a big problem in AD 30 - but the wrong kind of God was - and b+gger all about their arguments.

Honestly you have to stick to the text.

as to Why SO many Viewpoints ?

No idea - 1 Cor 1 27 says nothing about it.

[Peter Pedant]

Vulcan - I have no objection about cutting and pasting
I just want a bit of what he says to be in the Bible and not just in his mind.

[Peter Pedant]

Locusts - you are talking about texts in 1500 and thereabouts.
It would be better to go after the original texts. AD 60

First stop - if you are gonna write about this, your first stop is Metzger. Here is a review of one his recent ones.....
The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration (Paperback)
Very little needs to be said about this book. It's an excellent introduction to the manuscript history of the New Testament. The work is well-written, relatively easy to read, and could be used by introductory college classes in the subject. Indeed, it was probably written for that specific purpose. As a side note, Bruce Metzger is a Christian, while Bart Ehrman is an atheist. Metzger even makes an appearance in Lee Strobel's infamous "The Case for Christ", while Ehrman is the author of the bestselling atheist book "Misquoting Jesus". A piquant combination!

The first chapter of "The Text of the New Testament" deals with the making of ancient books in general, to give the students a feeling for the purely technical problems involved when the New Testament was written down, "published" and re-copied. The next chapter presents the most important ancient NT manuscripts. The oldest fragment of any NT text is known as P52, contains a few verses from the Gospel of John, and has been dated to the first half of the second century. Naturally, the famous Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus and Codex Vaticanus are all discussed. Apart from the Greek manuscripts, Metzger and Ehrman also mention translations into Syriac, Latin, Gothic and other ancient languages. There are even fragments of a Nubian translation.

The next two chapters give an overview of the history of textual criticism. For centuries, the dominant version of the New Testament was the Textus Receptus , based on medieval Byzantine manuscripts. Today, this manuscript tradition is considered inferior and is no longer used in Bible translations. Only a few fundamentalists still cling to it, usually in the King James Version. The last five chapters of the book are more technical. They deal with the methods used by modern textual critics. Of particular interest are the causes of errors in ancient NT manuscripts, including intentional changes. The notion that doctrinal changes caused Christian scribes to change the New Testament is a particularly contentious one.

I warmly recommend this work for serious students. [end of review]


[ I was interested in the Nubian translation -we probably dug it up - but I didnt know it was important....]

[Peter Pedant]

Goodlife: That why “faith is not a possession of all people,” for they have no basis upon which to develop it.— Hebrews 11: 39. Simple.

er no - honestly I wish you wouldnt do this:
Heb 11 39 is: And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: (KJV)

and no it is not simple - there is alot of discussion on what the promise was (salvation) and why those who were promised it didnt get it.

[DTCwordfan]

goodlife: 1896 Watch Tower - A2Z.org - neat paraphrasing.

now we have a new follower - total hogwash with no structured conclusions other than it being hogwash. Congratulations, locust, which theological college did you attend - as I won't recommend that for my children to attend.

[DTCwordfan]

locusts: surprisingly - http://www.for-martin-luther.com/ I wonder if you are a copy, if not bogus.

[locusts]

DTCwordfan
locusts: surprisingly - http://www.for-martin-luther.com/ I wonder if you are a copy, if not bogus.

Thank you thank you for those kind words, yes I did go to the Internet to find out more information , why because you're always asking us students /, not to you s Bible as a reference, so therefore I go to the// the Internet //and lookup /scientific reference / and I pastes this information//yes /YES /I do read the information first // to you/// even this is wrong /like /naomi24 say s you can t have it is it both way s

[goodlife]

locusts@ The apostle Paul, one who was an expert in use of words, said: When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe.” (1 Cor. 13:11)

Generally man likes to talk, and many do so just for the pleasure of talking. One could not possibly in his short life-span examine all the words of men that have been written down and preserved to this time. But through time, examination and use you become more capable in using words, and, as in any other activity, increased ability brings greater satisfying pleasure.

[locusts]

locusts@ The apostle Paul, one who was an expert in use of words, said: When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe.” (1 Cor. 13:11)

locusts@ // yes good life I have to agree with you because the word will set you free from the impurities Satanic world. As one who tries / is trying to follow the principles of the Bible is very difficult today because people cheeking./ lie / and adishonest without any feeding of the for their neighbor, the love they talk about is for their own benefits and their own advancement in this world today. This is not for love of there neighbor.

Ephesians 4:13) until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of stature that belongs to the fullness of the Christ; ( Hebrews 6 :1)

do you think that this god will fulfill his purpose in our lifetime or the future