Snp Or Edl ?

[jomifl]

Apart from the difference in name is there a difference?

[Wharton]

SirOracle - LOL & PMSL - I told you they were good for a laugh :-)

[Mamyalynne]

Always a laugh a minute in Religion and Spirituality.

[Wharton]

Mamyalynne - Check the first answer. jomifl apologised (sort of) for posting in the wrong category.

[Wharton]

I never post an answer saying I don't know the answer :-)

[jomifl]

Laugh whilst you can Siroracle...

[SirOracle]

I am always happy jomfl,and I am sure to be so come 5am on Friday.

It's a case of heads we win and tails you lose. We either get Independence or "Devo Max",which I might add that Cameron refused to put on the ballot paper. He certainly made a complete "U" turn on on this a few days ago.
Still not his 1st,and I am sure not his last.

Completely outplayed by Mr. Salmon and the SNP>

[Mamyalynne]

I know Wharton -apologies to all for interrupting a serious thread.

[Khandro]

A good question; different territories but similar objectives. Isn't it all 'the last refuge of scoundrels'?
Oh, why can't we all love one another?

[jomifl]

Sir O, since the UK is a democracy any bribes that cameron has offered the scots nats will have to be ratified by parliament. At least scottish MPs get the vote on that which is rather more than the nnonn Scottish part of the UK got in the referendum.

[jomifl]

Khandro I asked the question because one flag draped face painted baying mob of bullies looks very much like another, differing only by the colour of the flag. I'm not proud that the EDL is an English product, fortunately I have no such feeling of responsibility for the SNP coming as it does from a far distant land.

[mikey4444]

Its quite simple jomifl, so I suspect this post is being made out of a sense of devilment, which I don't mind in the least !

SNP...a proper political Party, set up in 1934, and first represented by Winnie Ewing at Westminster in 1967. Have had MP's in Westminster ever since, and the Party currently has the majority in the Scottish Parliament.

EDL....not a political Party in any shape or form, just a ignorant, ill-organised rabble.

Does that answer your question Jom ?

[Khandro]

mikey; I think he's talking more of their aspirations than their construction.
:0)

[jomifl]

Thank you everyone, you have given me a lot to think about :o)

[mikey4444]

Khandro...didn't realise. Why can't people be less gnomic and more up front here on AB ?

Anyway, as regards to aspirations, the difference is even more simple and uncomplicated.

The SNP exist to further the aspirations of Scottish people, and lately, to achieve complete independence for Scotland.

The EDL was formed as a racist organisation that is so far to the right, even its original founder, a chap called either Tommy Robinson or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, depending on whether there is a R in the month or not, left recently. One of the other reasons that he left was because of the difficulties of leading the EDL: from within a prison cell, into which he had been sentenced for 18 months for fraud.

Hope that clear up any uncertainty about the differences between the SNP and the EDL.

[Khandro]

mikey ref, Tommy Robinson; "I remember seeing him up against Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight a few years ago. Yes, he fell into bear-traps, quite a few of which he’d dug himself, and yes, he said more than a few things that any mainstream politician would have been crucified for, and rightly. But at core, there was something there with which Paxman simply couldn’t cope at all. This was an eloquent, white working-class voice, airing white working-class concerns. We are not good, we media and Westminster villagers, at engaging with this stuff, and Paxman certainly wasn’t. We focus merrily on the unpolished hate and prejudice, of which he espoused really quite a lot, but anything that truly unsettles us, we just ignore.

It would be another couple of years before the media — led by my colleague Andrew Norfolk at the Times — started taking at all seriously the idea that gangs of young men, invariably Muslim and predominantly of Pakistani origin, were engaged in the endemic grooming of vulnerable white girls in Oxford, Rotherham, Rochdale and God knows where else. Given that the likes of Tommy, had been banging on about this for ever, that should make us all feel rather queasy."

Hugo Rifkind, The Spectator, 12th October 2013.

Do you think that perhaps if more of us had separated the wheat from the chaff in what he was saying, the Rotherham and other outrages could have been curtailed sooner?

[mikey4444]

As we can't turn the clock back and find K, we will never know. But Lennon or Robinson ( I wish he would make his mind up ! ) just didn't present a credible spokesman for his class and race. He may have had reasonable views...indeed, I suspect he did, but every time he was interviewed, the essential racist nature of his organisation and his own duplicity got in the way of a reasonable debate.

But he appears to have put his involvement with the EDL behind him and I hope that he will find a position in some other organisation for his obvious talents.

By the way, just in case there is anybody left who doesn't think that the EDL are a racist rabble, I have just found this on the Wiki entry for him ::

On being released,( in Feb 2013) Robinson told the BBC that he was dismayed to discover that the EDL's ranks had been swollen with racist and neo-Nazi supporters: "I've battled for four years to keep certain elements out of this movement, to keep it down the path that we want to take it down. And I've seen that they've been welcomed back, they're the Nazis and the fascists – they were welcomed back.

Straight from the horses mouth !