Naomi...you would argue that black is white and white is black ! Perhaps I should start calling you Mary, Mary, as in So Contrary :)
When I was trying to debate with Clannad yesterday, I made the point that if I had to side with David Attenborough, who says that the Grand Canyon is millions of years old, or some "born again" American preacher, who says it is only 6000 years old, Attenborough would win outright every time.
If that is not isn't being logical and rational, I don't know what is !