Ideology Is The Enemy Of Reason

[naomi24]

True or false?

[naomi24]

Hypognosis, // Oh great. Once again, Naomi won't spell out the detail of the contradictions//

Won’t? Once again? I haven’t been asked. When was the last time I refused, upon request, to spell out contradictions?

Here you are:

//Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness… Genesis 1.26

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Genesis 2.1/2

…there was no one to work the ground… Genesis 2.5

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground… Genesis 2.7//

Spot the mistake in the official story.

[Theland]

Very sorry to hear that Hypo.Really I am.

[naomi24]

Whoosh!

[Theland]

What mistake is that then?

[naomi24]

And whoosh again!

[Hypognosis]

@naomi

//Won’t? Once again? I haven’t been asked. //

The need for an interjection to ask for detail did not arise until after you'd launched into Theland, regarding these contradictions. Okay, I could have phrased it better, like "wait up: what contradictions do you mean?" but I reacted in a sulky "oh no, not again" way. Press 'submit' in haste; repent at leisure.

And what if there were several contradictions in Genesis and Theland was aware of all of them? Is he expected to have to type them up, for the benefit of the thread, until you nod and say "that one"?


//When was the last time I refused, upon request, to spell out contradictions? //

Again, not a refusal when asked, by any means, but another case of challenging the other debater to acknowledge "the contradictions" - in the gospels, that time - and expecting everyone following the thread to be aware of all of these, intimately, like it is supposed to be common knowledge. That time, even your co-respondent needed helpful pointers, to know where you were coming from.

I'm calling this the "sorry, we're not psychic" defence.

Think Victoria Wood, sweet trolley sketch.

[Hypognosis]

@naomi

I see. Who is this "us" God is speaking to, in 1:26?

Other gods? Other creatures? Before man's been 'formed'.

[naomi24]

//Who is this "us" God is speaking to//

God knows.

[Hypognosis]

"Boinnnngggg", said Zebedee.

[Togo]

I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - this is a somewhat new kind of religion.

Albert Einstein.

[Hypognosis]

@naomi

(back to page 1)

//Regardless of rationally irrefutable argument those who embrace any particular brand of ideology, whether political or religious, do not appear to be amenable to entertaining any idea that falls outside the scope of their beliefs. They are completely inflexible.//

Soviet Communism was a case in point: it solved two questions
1) How do we get rid of this horrible Tsar and his cronies? We outnumber them, hundreds to one and it'll be a doddle.
2) How do we keep ourselves housed, clothed and fed after we've toppled the elite?

It then ossified in that post revolutionary state and then, because a command structure is needed for a territory that big, it was inevitable that a pseudo-Tsar and croneyism were going to re-emerge.

Scratch an idealist revolutionary, find an aspiring Tsar.
(I'm paraphrasing a quote that I cannot recall the source of).

[naomi24]

It was always thus.

[Theland]

So we put up with the status quo?

[Theland]

And regarding the mistakes, try looking at the Christian apologist websites for explanations of the contradictions.

[naomi24]

Theland, Why would you think I need someone to explain the bible to me? I have exactly the same information available to me as anyone else – and I can read as well as anyone else.