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Welby: We Need To Understand What Jihadists Are Talking About
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//It is becoming “essential” to grasp the logic of people driven by an obsessive belief that the end of the world is nigh//
They're not.
//It’s very difficult to understand the things that impel people to some of the dreadful actions that we have seen over the last few years unless you have some sense of religious literacy.//
That’s true – and he doesn’t.
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They're not.
//It’s very difficult to understand the things that impel people to some of the dreadful actions that we have seen over the last few years unless you have some sense of religious literacy.//
That’s true – and he doesn’t.
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It is easy to say they are crazy, evil.
But that doesn't really explain what makes them tick (no pun intended).
He is right that to come to a rational answer for the irrational acts of religious violence, we need to try and see it from their point of view. That does not mean taking their side or exonerating them from blame. But it does mean looking at why someone who apparently believes in god can do horrendous acts of violence on others, and do murderous suicide. Writing them off as loonies doesn't really get to the core of the problem, or trying to solve it.
But that doesn't really explain what makes them tick (no pun intended).
He is right that to come to a rational answer for the irrational acts of religious violence, we need to try and see it from their point of view. That does not mean taking their side or exonerating them from blame. But it does mean looking at why someone who apparently believes in god can do horrendous acts of violence on others, and do murderous suicide. Writing them off as loonies doesn't really get to the core of the problem, or trying to solve it.
// he's seeing it from his own (erroneous) point of view. //
Every point of view will be individual and different. Welby, as a religious man, is trying to understand it from that perspective. It doesn't necessarily mean it wrong. He might think your point of view is erroneous. At least he is trying to make sense of the senseless rather than dismissing it as just madness that madmen do.
Every point of view will be individual and different. Welby, as a religious man, is trying to understand it from that perspective. It doesn't necessarily mean it wrong. He might think your point of view is erroneous. At least he is trying to make sense of the senseless rather than dismissing it as just madness that madmen do.
Gromit. //Every point of view will be individual and different. Welby, as a religious man, is trying to understand it from that perspective.//
But he is not understanding it from a religious perspective. He just thinks he is. He talks about religious literacy. If he possessed that he would have a clearer understanding of the mindset he claims - but fails - to comprehend.
But he is not understanding it from a religious perspective. He just thinks he is. He talks about religious literacy. If he possessed that he would have a clearer understanding of the mindset he claims - but fails - to comprehend.
Talbot - //At least he is trying to make sense of the senseless
Super Smashing ... let me know when he has accomplished that. //
That approach is exactly what keeps us in the current state of terrorism and 'war on terror' to use President Bush's laughable an inaccurate (but great vote-catching!) phrase!
Muslim extremists are here, and they are not going away any time soon, so we have two choices.
We can treat them like some sort of alien species and try (and fail) to destroy them, which simply adds fuel to their argument that the West hates them, and produces an ever-decreasing vicious circle.
Or we can attempt to understand what motivates them, which can be positive step towards trying to get them to stop what they are doing.
Let's face it, stubbornly treating terrorists like monsters (which they are, but they don't think they are) simply re-enforces their notion that we are the evil party. So a level of understanding has to be worth a try - it can't make things any worse.
Super Smashing ... let me know when he has accomplished that. //
That approach is exactly what keeps us in the current state of terrorism and 'war on terror' to use President Bush's laughable an inaccurate (but great vote-catching!) phrase!
Muslim extremists are here, and they are not going away any time soon, so we have two choices.
We can treat them like some sort of alien species and try (and fail) to destroy them, which simply adds fuel to their argument that the West hates them, and produces an ever-decreasing vicious circle.
Or we can attempt to understand what motivates them, which can be positive step towards trying to get them to stop what they are doing.
Let's face it, stubbornly treating terrorists like monsters (which they are, but they don't think they are) simply re-enforces their notion that we are the evil party. So a level of understanding has to be worth a try - it can't make things any worse.
Driven by an obsessive desire that the end of the world is nigh?
How about driven by the obsessive desire to stamp out Christianity and any followers who will not convert and replace it with their own twisted and wicked culture.
Driven to occupy as much territory as possible and not cease until they have been wiped out.
We have just heard about the objection raised by a teaching assistant to show footage of 911. How would you teach what Welby advocates and how many teachers would be fully on board?
How about driven by the obsessive desire to stamp out Christianity and any followers who will not convert and replace it with their own twisted and wicked culture.
Driven to occupy as much territory as possible and not cease until they have been wiped out.
We have just heard about the objection raised by a teaching assistant to show footage of 911. How would you teach what Welby advocates and how many teachers would be fully on board?
agchristie - //Driven by an obsessive desire that the end of the world is nigh?
How about driven by the obsessive desire to stamp out Christianity and any followers who will not convert and replace it with their own twisted and wicked culture.
Driven to occupy as much territory as possible and not cease until they have been wiped out. //
That simply restates the extremist position, but it doesn't help in terms of doing something about that may actually succeed, when the 'war on terror' (chortle!) continues to abjectly fail to do anything except make things worse.
// We have just heard about the objection raised by a teaching assistant to show footage of 911. How would you teach what Welby advocates and how many teachers would be fully on board? //
My understanding of the TA's objection is that graphic film of a terrorist atrocity is unsuitable for children of that age - a view with which I entirely concur.
That has of course been hijacked to be motivated by some sort of 'embarrassment' that the deaths were caused by Muslims, which is frankly farcical, and says more about those who wish to gain anti-Muslim support for their views.
We need to educate our war-mongering politicians before we educate children - they are the ones sending planes and soldiers.
How about driven by the obsessive desire to stamp out Christianity and any followers who will not convert and replace it with their own twisted and wicked culture.
Driven to occupy as much territory as possible and not cease until they have been wiped out. //
That simply restates the extremist position, but it doesn't help in terms of doing something about that may actually succeed, when the 'war on terror' (chortle!) continues to abjectly fail to do anything except make things worse.
// We have just heard about the objection raised by a teaching assistant to show footage of 911. How would you teach what Welby advocates and how many teachers would be fully on board? //
My understanding of the TA's objection is that graphic film of a terrorist atrocity is unsuitable for children of that age - a view with which I entirely concur.
That has of course been hijacked to be motivated by some sort of 'embarrassment' that the deaths were caused by Muslims, which is frankly farcical, and says more about those who wish to gain anti-Muslim support for their views.
We need to educate our war-mongering politicians before we educate children - they are the ones sending planes and soldiers.
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