Moderate Muslims

[birdie1971]

Are the 'moderate' muslims in the UK aware that they will be crushed and treated as apostates if their dream of an islamic UK state were ever to become a reality?

In my opinion, islam is very much like communism. The standard bearers of both like to espouse the virtues of their particular political / religious ideology, knowing full well that many people will be slaughtered as a result. The ones doing the espousing always justify their belief by convincing themselves that they will be the ones who make up the ruling elite of such an ideology. It never seems to occur to these zealots and bigots that they will be eaten by their own.

Do the westernised, moderate muslims truly think that they will be spared the wrath of political islam?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //Looking at the country we share, there is more evidence for my argument than yours - unless they are being very very quiet about it//

Is there? Incidentally, ‘nigh’ is misleading. I don’t believe I’ve ever said ‘that.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // Is there? Incidentally, ‘nigh’ is misleading. I don’t believe I’ve ever said ‘that. //

But you have said, on various threads over a very long time, that Islam is down to take over the West violently - and there is still no evidence of it happening.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, I've never said violently either. Quite the opposite. Are you sure you know what I've said because up until now you're not doing very well at all.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - I know that you regularly preach doom-and-gloom about the imminent take-over - and I don't believe it, and as I repeat, the evidence for my viewpoint is certainly stronger than yours.

If you want to get bogged down in the detail instead of admitting that I am correct, go right ahead.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, I can only make at guess at what 'evidence' you're talking about but if it's evidence that Europe is home to an inordinate proportion of useful idiots, then yes, you are certainly correct.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // An inordinate proportion of useful idiots //

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that, but since you are keen on 'evidence' - do you have any to support that view?

Or is it just a catch-all term for the vast majority of the population who don't share your view?

[wildwood]

Now now now people. Play nicely.

[keyplus90]

////Keyplus said he would marry his 9 year old daughter to an older man …..////

I had said Bye on this thread but to expose another lie of your's Naomi, I never ever said that. Although it would not make any difference to what I think of you as I know your mentality very well, but you should not try fooling others here.

[Khandro]

naomi; keyplus says he never has said he would marry his 9 year old daughter to an older man (and I have never seen any evidence of this) but you said he did (which I have seen) so one of you is wrong and I think it is you, and if you cannot show otherwise, don't you think an apology is in order?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that//

No? Oh well. Perhaps if you tell me what you’re talking about and what evidence you think you have to support whatever it is you're talking about, the discussion can continue.

Keyplus, you know full well I don't lie. Your words are a matter of record. Do you really want to pursue this? I'm happy to do that if you are.

[naomi24]

Khandro, cross-posted there. See above.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // No? Oh well. Perhaps if you tell me what you’re talking about and what evidence you think you have to support whatever it is you're talking about, the discussion can continue. //

Well side-stepped - ever considered a career in politics?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, I'm not side-stepping. Twice you've accused me of saying things I haven't said - and frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[keyplus90]

/////Keyplus, you know full well I don't lie.////

Don't you, that is a shock. Now let's go and see when I said that. And just in case Khandro believes otherwise, take my apology in "ADVANCE" if I did say. However I will wait for your apology if you could not produce my words as you said.

[Khandro]

naomi; Your call, - or apologise?

[naomi24]

Khandro, my call, my pleasure.

Keyplus,// I will wait for your apology if you could not produce my words as you said.//

You’ll wait forever. Your words. //If that 9 years old has reached to her puberty and mentally normal then I will have no objection if her parents marry her to anyone of their choice and with the consent of the girl. //

And then there’s this: //Yes I still agree with that. And I find nothing wrong with parents marrying their daughter once she has reached puberty to someone who they believe would take care of her//

When you said it? In 2010. Links can be provided if you so wish, but since the topic continued over several threads which became pretty contentious in other areas too, I thought perhaps best left where they are. Anyway as previously, your choice.

And speaking of apologies, I won’t hold my breath for apologies from either you or Khandro. Apologies require honesty.

[Khandro]

n. If the quote is accurate, then I can't subscribe to it, but it isn't the same as your assertion that he would marry his own daughter to an old man.
e.g. I'm not opposed to inter-racial relationships per se, but I wouldn't myself want to marry a Bantu.

[keyplus90]

Naomi, you are a prolific liar and above that an arrogant being. Anyone with basic knowledge of the language can tell what I was saying there. I knew what I said and I also know what you were trying to imply. I never said there "I would marry" my daughter. Words are there for anyone to read and thanks for posting these. I also said on that thread that I would have no objection as it is their decision if they are marrying a daughter who has reached puberty as I do not object to the parents who let their teenage daughters have out of marriage children etc.

Naomi, I have suggested you so many times to study about Islam instead of depending upon websites that give you false information. Because I understand what Islam says but your brain is just stuck on 9 years old. A 9 year old 1400 years ago was a different than 9 years old now and it was very normal at that time. Any way I will not waste any more time on you. Now show that you accept when you are wrong because that is the only way to become better.

[keyplus90]

Sorry, I noticed one more thing. You said that ///I won’t hold my breath for apologies from either you or Khandro. Apologies require honesty.///

Now do you know what counts as honesty in my books, it is admitting that you were wrong. Try it sometimes and you would start sleeping well at night because it brings peace in your mind.

[vulcan42]

Khandro & Keyplus, wriggle all you want, the implication is there.