The Dawkins Delusion

[nailit]

By Alister McGrath.
Anyone here read it? Picked up a second hand copy for 50p and started reading it (27 pages so far...its only 65 pages in total) and I see nothing but ad hominem attacks on Dawkins and calling atheism 'a belief' so far. No doubt I shall endeavour to finish it (tedious as it is) but has anyone else read it?

[nailit]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dawkins-Delusion-Atheist-Fundamentalism-Denial/dp/0281059276

[mikey4444]

I wouldn't bother Nailit !

[nailit]

Why Mikey?

[EDDIE51]

Have you seen the debate between Dawkins and the Archbishop

There is also a larger degree of mutual respect between them than may be expected.

[EDDIE51]

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/feb/01/richard-dawkins-rowan-williams-debate
Sorry forgot the 2nd link ^

[mikey4444]

Because I have seen him debate with Christians, and you can never win a debate with Christians......they're attachment to the irrational is absolute.

To be frank I don't why Dawkins bothers....he must have better things to do.

[nailit]

EDDIE, no, Ive not seen that debate yet, but did see a youtube debate between Dawkins and Mcgrath earlier. Both of them seemed quiet respectful (if disagreeable) of each others point of view. Don't know why Christians get so up in arms about Dawkins, just because he puts forth a different point of view from their own

[vetuste_ennemi]

I think I've read it. Is McGrath an American Legionary of Christ bloke?

[nailit]

Mikey, sadly I think I'm inclined to agree. However, Ive ALWAYS been of the mindset that seeks to understand the point of view offered by others that differ from our own

[Mamyalynne]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alister_McGrath

[nailit]

V-E, No. McGrath is an oxford educated Irish theologian

[nailit]

As per Mamys link ;-)

[nailit]

Dawkins' book 'The God Delusion' is 374 pages long (my hard back version anyway) and McGrath attempts to destroy it in a 65 page tome by ad hominin attacks on Dawkins and strawmen arguments. At least what Ive read so far. Since Ive basically read over a 1/3 of the book I don't see it getting much better....

[vetuste_ennemi]

you, both.

I'm sure it's been mentioned on AB, and I like to read what the opposition is saying. It's not on my Kindle so I'll have to check the library (not what my wife calls it).

So who's the LC bloke? The book was slick US shyster lawyer stuff, irritating, but excellent of its sort.

[nailit]

//So who's the LC bloke? //
Are you thinking of William Lane Craig (LC...Lane Craig)?
Hes quiet a slick kind of U.S shyster V-E.
The kind of apologist that Theland always points us unbelievers too (via 'look it up on you tube')

[Old_Geezer]

So, pretty much mirrors his own book then.
Hated his book, sounds like I'd not go a bundle on this one either.

[vetuste_ennemi]

No, it wasn't the odious William Lane Craig, Nailit, although I've seen several debates on YouTube with WLC. (He's an impressive debater, of course, but he was struggling very, very hard when he was trying to defend the various divinely ordained genocides recorded in Joshua and Samuel in one debate at the Oxford Union)

The author I'm referring to was a member of the Legion of Christ (LC) which is (I think) a kind of militant secular arm of the Roman Church.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Oops, lay - not secular.

[nailit]

//So, pretty much mirrors his own book then. //
You read them both then O-G?

[nailit]

V-E, I'm at a bit of a loss then but have to agree that Lane Craig is odious. (and devious)