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Something From Nothing
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I find this assertion totally ludicrous.
The bible has it totally right. "In the beginning." It took centuries for us to accept that here was a beginning, preferring a perpetual universe.
As atheists, you don't like the possibility of a Creator God.
No problem - for Him.
Not met Him today so do t believe?
Your problem not His.
Not preaching to,you, just giving you facts.
Lots of unbelievers.
Think there is safety in numbers?
Sadly, go for it.
The bible has it totally right. "In the beginning." It took centuries for us to accept that here was a beginning, preferring a perpetual universe.
As atheists, you don't like the possibility of a Creator God.
No problem - for Him.
Not met Him today so do t believe?
Your problem not His.
Not preaching to,you, just giving you facts.
Lots of unbelievers.
Think there is safety in numbers?
Sadly, go for it.
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I WANDERED lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.
The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed--and gazed--but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:
For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.
The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed--and gazed--but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:
For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.
You have such a closed mind that you'd never find the most compelling evidence convincing......
Personally, I'm not prepared to waste any time seeking out facts for you to dismiss out-of-hand.
That and the fact that you are very selective about what questions you will and won't answer, if they are in the least bit challenging.
Personally, I'm not prepared to waste any time seeking out facts for you to dismiss out-of-hand.
That and the fact that you are very selective about what questions you will and won't answer, if they are in the least bit challenging.
How is it more ludicrous than some entity exists, without explanation, and accounts for everything else having made everything else out of nothing ? It's a step that seems to add little as an explanation.
Maths however, is understandable to those able to comprehend, and the logic indicates things come into and out of existence all the time. Difficult to rationally argue against.
Maths however, is understandable to those able to comprehend, and the logic indicates things come into and out of existence all the time. Difficult to rationally argue against.
For those of you so inclined there's a book by recently sexually compromised theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss "A Universe from Nothing". Read it a couple of years ago.
First thing to understand (from the book) is that nothing ain't nothing. "Nothing" is quantum fluctuations and probabilities from which any universe can come. Get it?
Ok, another "popular" explanation of esoteric scientific concepts which this member of the populus didn't get. First there was Pelican's "Relativity for the Laymen" read in my teens, then in my twenties a similarly thin paper back attempting to explain relativity to the same audience. Then fast forward to VE in retirement watching Al-Khalili on quantum mechanics, a three-parter which I've now watched twice. All above my head, I'm afraid. No wiser after than before. Read and watched out of interest and the hope that "you might just get it if you concentrate hard enough". Bit like starting those Listener crosswords you know are soluble, but, sadly, not by you.
PS: Must see if I can get a marvellous Sean Carroll video on the universe from nothing topic.
First thing to understand (from the book) is that nothing ain't nothing. "Nothing" is quantum fluctuations and probabilities from which any universe can come. Get it?
Ok, another "popular" explanation of esoteric scientific concepts which this member of the populus didn't get. First there was Pelican's "Relativity for the Laymen" read in my teens, then in my twenties a similarly thin paper back attempting to explain relativity to the same audience. Then fast forward to VE in retirement watching Al-Khalili on quantum mechanics, a three-parter which I've now watched twice. All above my head, I'm afraid. No wiser after than before. Read and watched out of interest and the hope that "you might just get it if you concentrate hard enough". Bit like starting those Listener crosswords you know are soluble, but, sadly, not by you.
PS: Must see if I can get a marvellous Sean Carroll video on the universe from nothing topic.
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I don’t have to convince you. Why should I? Come to that, why should you convince me? I don’t find the nothing into everything argument impossible and neither should you.....after all “with god all things are possible” why should god not use the tools and laws of physics to make all of creation to create itself. You say “the word”, physics says the big bang.....not a lot of difference.
I really like Terry Pratchett’s take on the matter. His idea is that a musical chord plyed the multiverse into existence....sort of like a First Trump but on a guitar.....and before that.
.....”“Some religions say that the universe was started with a word, a song, a dance, a piece of music. The Listening Monks of the Ramtops have trained their hearing until they can tell the value of a playing card by listening to it, and have made it their task to listen intently to the subtle sounds of the universe to piece together, from the fossil echoes, the very first noises. There was certainly, they say, a very strange noise at the beginning of everything. But the keenest ears (the ones who win most at poker), who listen to the frozen echoes in ammonites and amber, swear they can detect some tiny sounds before that. It sounded, they say, like someone counting: One, Two, Three, Four. The very best one, who listened to basalt, said he thought he could make out, very faintly, some numbers that came even earlier. When they asked him what it was, he said: “It sounds like One, Two.” No one ever asked what, if there was a sound that called the universe into being, what happened to it afterward. It’s mythology. You’re not supposed to ask that kind of question.”
― Terry Pratchett, Soul Music”
.....”“Some religions say that the universe was started with a word, a song, a dance, a piece of music. The Listening Monks of the Ramtops have trained their hearing until they can tell the value of a playing card by listening to it, and have made it their task to listen intently to the subtle sounds of the universe to piece together, from the fossil echoes, the very first noises. There was certainly, they say, a very strange noise at the beginning of everything. But the keenest ears (the ones who win most at poker), who listen to the frozen echoes in ammonites and amber, swear they can detect some tiny sounds before that. It sounded, they say, like someone counting: One, Two, Three, Four. The very best one, who listened to basalt, said he thought he could make out, very faintly, some numbers that came even earlier. When they asked him what it was, he said: “It sounds like One, Two.” No one ever asked what, if there was a sound that called the universe into being, what happened to it afterward. It’s mythology. You’re not supposed to ask that kind of question.”
― Terry Pratchett, Soul Music”
Of course in our universe, the echo of the big bang is still there if you know how to listen........ https:/
