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Does It Require More Faith [I] Not [I] To Believe In A Creator Than To Believe In One?

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Khandro | 22:23 Mon 14th Jan 2019 | Religion & Spirituality
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The scientific, mathematical facts, seem to say so;
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If you're going to do that, K, do make a point of soliciting more than just a couple of opinions. I shouldn't be surprised at all if you find people that agree with you, but I would be very surprised indeed if that was the only opinion.
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jim; Breaking news; Sent the link, no assessment (that will come) but she's replied with excitement because she's just heard today that she's landed a top job at the Max Planck Institute!
Congratulations to her, then!
Khans to - would you ask her opinion on the origin of the information necessary to programme the cell to produce proteins?
The Nile hasn't dried up, yet, but see what happens when Ethiopia completes its dam.
When Egypt built the Aswan dam, it had a detrimental effect on the river, preventing silt from bringing nutrients to the land down river.
And all very Nostradamus?
All very pedantic.
Theland, be realistic. The dam isn’t going to cause the Nile to dry up rendering Egypt a wasteland devoid of all life.

A couple of days ago I responded to one of your posts here:

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question1641378-3.html

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There are lies damned lies and then statistics.

Numbers can be crunched to give you the answer you want; for any agenda.

So I would not give this time of day.
Statistics are rarely wrong. The flaw is in the premises and interpretations attached to them. But it is completely mistaken to be suspicious of numbers in themselves.

In this case, the starting point was wrong -- I haven't bothered to check if the figures are also wrong, but once you begin with the wrong idea it hardly matters anyway. If the youtube video had started by asserting that protein configurations were purely random and finished by concluding that their spontaneous formation wasn't that unlikely after all it would still have been meaningless.
Jim, meaning what?

Naomi, the posters who simply say, "oh gawd," or, "'ere we go again," and other similar comments.
Religion?? Well.. i have a good video for this. ;)
Theland, if you want answers from people you need to ask them for answers directly. Pointless complaining if they don't know who you're talking about.
I am not asking for answers, just passing opinions.
Is that OK with you?
Are you sure?
Not really. Your nasty comments could be aimed at any one of us who disagrees with you.
And what nasty comments would they be?
//The clacking of knitting needles would not be out of place here. //
If you are asking what I meant by the starting point being wrong, then it is that proteins are in any way comparable to, say, shuffling a deck of cards.
Do you not yourself ever get the feeling that our exchange of opinions attracts some who have nothing to contribute, but feel the need to comment anyway, without actually engaging?
"Oh Gawd, 'ere we go again, etc etc etc."
Some will post for the sake of posting, with no thought or substance to the post.
Like the crowds watching the guillotine during the Terror, knitting needles and odd comments.
Beneath contempt.
Not nasty.
Jim - I don't get it. Sorry.
I listen to scientists who Do get it, and I am unconvinced that proteins, could ever have acquired the information to replicate randomly.
Respectfully.
Hmm.

I don't want to go too far in explaining things because anyway protein formation is not my forte, but all I mean is that it is irrational to treat amino acids as, say, cards in a pack. When you shuffle the cards, you end up with some random order, and -- assuming it's a fair deck and a fair shuffle -- then there is no reason to expect one shuffled deck to be more likely than another. Therefore all outcomes -- all orders of the cards -- are, to all intents and purposes, equally likely.

Compare this with proteins. If you assume that the amino acids are cards, and can be arranged ("shuffled") in any order, then you end up with a phenomenally large number of possible proteins, possible arrangements, etc etc. The argument of the video rests on this premise, ie that there's no reason to prefer one arrangement to another.

I claim that this premise is false. The reason is quite simple, in one sense: the amino acids are not the same as the cards, because they actually *do* interact with each other. They care about each other's chemical properties. The arrangements that form, or twist into weird shapes, will have different properties, such as the amount of stored energy.

It doesn't matter too much about the details: the only point is that you can't treat amino acids as independent of each other when they form proteins. As a result, the "card model" that's used in the video is simply inadequate.

Does this make sense?
That certainly helps Jim. Thank you.
Plenty there for me to go away and think about.

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