Apprehension Of The Transcendent

[Khandro]

It is essential in order to comprehend that which is transcendent - which encompasses the spiritual, the religious and aesthetic appreciation within human existence and experience - to put aside the process of empirical reality and purely intellectual reasoning. As discussed here, by Roger Scruton and Jordan Peterson;

Does this not challenge the materialism and 'rationality' of the atheist narrative?

[naomi24]

Khandro, that video is one and a half hours long. Few, if any, are going to watch it.

//It is essential in order to comprehend that which is transcendent - which encompasses the spiritual, the religious and aesthetic appreciation within human existence and experience - to put aside the process of empirical reality and purely intellectual reasoning.//

Does anyone understand that which is transcendent - or do some just think they do? I disagree that it is essential to put aside the process of empirical reality and purely intellectual reasoning. If anything those processes serve to explain, and hence, enhance understanding of the transcendendental. The religious do not have a monopoly on aesthetics.

[douglas9401]

This is why we haave LSD and the like.

Gets you to a place you want to go without the dressing up, power games and fantasies.

[Zacs-Master]

Did you mean ‘apprehension’?

[naomi24]

Yes, he did.

//the act of understanding something//

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/apprehension

[Zacs-Master]

Why be apprehensive about studying something? Ok, be apprehensive if those studies lead you to conclude some forbodeous conclusions. But I see no reason to start from such a position.

[woofgang]

forbodeaous......love it!

[Zacs-Master]

If it’s good enough for Pink Floyd...... ;-)

[naomi24]

Zacs, in this instance 'apprehension' doesn't mean wary. I've given you the alternative meaning.

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, your link takes me to a description which starts with ‘worry about the future’.......

[naomi24]

You need to scroll down slightly.

//apprehension noun [ U ] (UNDERSTANDING) //

[Zacs-Master]

Ah, right.

[Old_Geezer]

Atheists simply don't believe in gods. They are at liberty to believe on not, as they choose, in other realities/realms.

[Khandro]

Thank you naomi but // The religious do not have a monopoly on aesthetics.// Neither Scruton, Peterson nor I are saying that, but you cannot rationalise why you love something, e.g. To someone the work of say Beethoven, might be the most important thing in their lives, but they can only tell someone that, they cannot convey why that is.
Scruton's very first point is that you cannot see what someone else sees.

//Did you mean ‘apprehension’?//
Yes, the word is chosen with care, to say 'comprehension' or 'understanding' would be a contradiction in terms; the transcendental cannot be approached simply by reasoning, that what the dialogue is about, and the point behind the question.

[andy-hughes]

There is neither 'materialsim' or 'rationality' because there is no 'atheist narative'.

Atheists don't believe in God, so their are saved from the tedious task of trying to argue their view on a daily basis, as you seem to need to do.

Atheists simply don't care - they have many other joys on which to spend their valuable time.

[Zacs-Master]

So what’s your take on the Theory of Forms being the distinction between reality and the reality which is imperceptible but intelligible and that transcendent perfect archetypes of objects in the everyday world are imperfect copies?

[naomi24]

Khandro, // you cannot rationalise why you love something//

Neither can you, so why do you assume that my atheism renders me less capable of appreciating or experiencing the wonders of life than you? I presume that's what you're saying?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // Khandro, // you cannot rationalise why you love something//

Neither can you, so why do you assume that my atheism renders me less capable of appreciating or experiencing the wonders of life than you? I presume that's what you're saying? //

It's the mantra of the pompous Christian - "I've got something you haven't got, I'm a better person because I have it and you don't, so I'm going to spend my life looking down on you, pitying you, and lecturing you, because that makes me feel better when, in the wee small hours, I know that deep down I am scared, miserable, and spending my life worrying about death - even though I pretend that I don't.

[Khandro]

//So what’s your take on the Theory of Forms being the distinction between reality and the reality which is imperceptible but intelligible and that transcendent perfect archetypes of objects in the everyday world are imperfect copies? //

See Plato.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // See Plato. //

I am sure Zacs could do that - or he could arrange the items in his fridge in alphabetical order, which would be about as exciting, but at least it would have a finite time-line and a visible result at the end of it.