Did The Bible Predict The Way People Think And Act Today... Part 2

[nailit]

Many times I have passed on a bus and seen JW's, with their carts (and pamphlets), A few feet away from some begging, wrapped in a bag.
Why arnt their kingdom halls open to the homeless, the desperate?

(actually made it my bussiness to talk to these people. And they arnt all druggies or bums, or wino's..just people who are societies rejects.
And yet only a few feet away are the very people that (according to your scriptures) you are suppossed to help?

[naomi24]

Khandro, you don’t seem to be getting the hang of this thread at all. Most major religious groups help others in practical ways. The JWs don’t. They take care of their own - and not always very well.

As for atheists, there is no ‘club’ or ‘creed’ that they belong to and follow. They are individuals who do their own thing - and very often quietly.

[nailit]

The more liberal in their belief, the more liberal in their warmth towards fellow humans Ive found.
Get the hard lined fundie's (of whatever persuasion) and love for the 'lost' becomes believe us or rot in hell and tough luck.

I work with Catholics, Baptists, C of E, Methodists, Pentecostals, Muslims, Sikhs, etc (and non- religious organisations such as the NHS, MIND, Tesco, ASDA, and other organisations)

JW's ....and other such religious franchises...couldnt give a monkeys about the homeless beggar, freezing to death, next to their religious pamphlet cart.
Zealots to the last and the likes of goodlife need to be questioned about it
(Not that he will reply)

[nailit]

Christadelphians, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, The local Buddhist Group, The local corner store, The local council for that matter, or the local car dealership contribute toward humanity betterment.
(or even the local atheist community....whatever the hell that is)

The difference is that none of the above ^ claimed to!

[Khandro]

This is the most absurd OP I've ever read: Many times he's passed this Dickensian scenario from the top of a bus, & observed JWs handing out pamphlets in the close proximity to the starving under trodden beggars. He presumably gets off at the next stop & returns to them to 'make it his business to talk to these people'

I'm sure they were then overjoyed at being patronised in this way.

Full marks nailit!

[idiosyncrasy]

Nailit@"Many times I have passed on a bus and seen JW's, with their carts" I too have seen these carts. I have spoken with them and found them to be very sincere people and are desirous of helping others.
I have also spoken with some of the homeless ones. But there are those who are not homeless. They are just beggars fleecing the public. I have given sandwiches and coffee to some and they just throw it aside.
In fact most cities have places where they homeless can go and get a bed for a night, and also a meal.
There are also those who like that kind of life!

[goodlife]

(actually made it my bussiness to talk to these people)

Here seem to be a dote on speculations. Some love to be the talking center of little groups, voicing their theories on how or when this or that should be done.

IF you stop breathing air, you will die in a few minutes. If you stop drinking water, you will die in a few days. If you stop eating food, you will die in a few weeks. If you stop feeding on Jehovah’s spiritual provisions, then when you die you will be dead forever. Jehovah provides the air, water, and food that all living creatures need. Hence, to Jehovah the psalmist says: “You are opening your hand and satisfying the desire of every living thing.” (Psalm 145:16) The desire of most living things is fulfilled by the material provisions. But this is not true of human creatures.
Jesus pointed this out when he said: “Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.” (Matthew 4:4)

There are about 166,000 charities in uk for that work

Our main work is spiritual, but if you want to know more, of the charities work we do, go to jw.org and have you ever wonder why they are so close to us.

[vulcan42]

goodlife, I logged onto jw.org, didn't see the word charity mentioned.

[goodlife]

Vulcan@ You need to key in the word charities.

[vulcan42]

goodlife, well, here's the problem. Searched the jw.org website under charities, found an article titled " What is happening to charity?". This consisted mainly of telling us charity stories from the bible and how other charities used their money inappropriately. Researching further under the various headings of, JW news, FAQ, Activities and around the world, I could only find two references of the JW actually giving donation's. The first was in 2001 following a torrential storm in Houston, Texas where 723 witnesses homes were damaged. The article continues, A disaster committee was formed to allocate relief funds to help the local witnesses. There was no mention of helping anybody else. The second reference was to giving material relief in 1994 to Rwanda and also to Haiti.
There is no mention of how much was donated, who received it and over what period of time. If you can find better and more recent examples of Jehovah witness charity I would certainly like to see it.

[Khandro]

vulcan //There is no mention of how much was donated, who received it and over what period of time.//

How much did you give ?

[goodlife]

vulcan @ Depends how far you looked. There are over 42 pages!
BTW what is your point? I can tell you that none of our donations are used for personal use, no one gets rich from them. Yes, primarily we help our own first, (who doesn't) then the local community benefits as I am sure you read about. The scriptures tell us at Galatians 6 v 10.
So we help all.

[vulcan42]

Khandro, this is about the money that theland alleges the JW give to national disasters. Their website stated they contributed to Rwanda and Haiti but no figures were mentioned and that's why I asked. Whether I contributed or not is as irrelevant as asking how much you contributed.

Theland, perhaps you would be good enough to post a link to the 42 pages you refer to. Also I didn't read anything about donations to anybody except those to the witness's in Houston.

[Khandro]

vulcan;//Whether I contributed or not is as irrelevant as asking how much you contributed.//

That's easily answered - nothing. I merely point out the duplicity on this thread.

The sly, conflation in the OP that the sighting from a bus of JWs handing out leaflets while in the same vicinity were beggars, that the former are someway implicated in the lot of the latter, and of whom they lack care, which is completely unfounded. Followed by your implication that because they [JWs] haven't disclosed (or at least you can find) the amount of money they have given to a charity makes them in some way culpable & raises the question of how much you have given to Rwanda.

I hold no special brief for Jehovah's Witnesses, I just can't stand hypocrisy.

[vulcan42]

I don't see what's hypocritical about asking for details of an organisation's claim to being charitable when proof is hard to find. If as theland states there are 42 pages detailing their contribution, it isn't on their website.

[naomi24]

Khandro, Goodlife has told you they look after their own first - and I told you the same earlier. He also told you that their main work is spiritual - a fat lot of good that is to the hungry and destitute. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not charitable but sadly religion blinds you …. any religion. Stick to the Salvation Army, They care,

[Khandro]

naomi: Isn't the main work of all religions spiritual ? - that's what they do, it's their [i] raison d'être [i] And doesn't the amount of time the JWs spend talking to non- JWs rather contradict your argument that they are self-serving?

[goodlife]

(He has told you they look after their own first)

naomi@ Why do say thing you know very little about.

Mat 6:33
“Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you. 34 So never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Each day has enough of its own troubles.

And this is for anybody that have true faith not for the faithless.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, //(He has told you they look after their own first)
naomi@ Why do say thing you know very little about.//

I know as much about your altruism - or lack of it - as anyone else reading your posts. Here’s a clue.

//Yes, primarily we help our own first//

Khandro, this is about practical help as you well know - little of which is given by JWs. That aside, even when they’re preaching it’s all about them. Witness (pun intended) their self-satisfaction at professing to know it all. Goodlife is an excellent example. None more arrogant.

[goodlife]

naomi@ Did you not read mat 24:14 that why, and is still going on.
you never know you may have a change of heart.

[Khandro]

n. // even when they’re preaching it’s all about them.//

Well, it's hardly going to be about the Jews & Buddhists is it?

And when it comes to supporting one's own, look no further than the atheists; the AB cohort you always support, no matter what inanities they espouse (including this OP) & conversely attack anyone who makes any claim to a religious following.
If that isn't a little self-supporting group, I don't know what is.