Unless You Are Saved Through The Grace Of Jesus Christ You Are Going To Hell.

[Theland]

God is real, hell is real, and it is your choice whether or not you wake up to reality and accept the free gift of salvation.
The alternative is too horrible to consider.
It is either / or, there is no other way.
Save yourself. Now.

[naomi24]

Nothing to ponder from my point of view. Since Theland claims it's his ‘job’ to tell people they are going to hell, he will be challenged - and if that challenge deters one single person from even considering taking his hateful, evil philosophy seriously it will have been time well spent.

[Peter Pedant]

Theland is evangelical so that would be his job
to give us the good news....

you dont have that excuse - anyway it is Sunday
let us call it - -Sweet Sunday

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Nothing to ponder from my point of view. Since Theland claims it's his ‘job’ to tell people they are going to hell, he will be challenged - and if that challenge deters one single person from even considering taking his hateful, evil philosophy seriously it will have been time well spent. //

I understand your motivation, but I still question the validity of exercising it on threads like this.

You - and I before I gave up - have engaged Theland and similar fervents for years now, and the end result has been entirely the same every time - nothing has changed.

They remain utterly convinced of the rightness of their view, you and others remain utterly convinced of the equal and opposite wrongness of that view.

The same people post the same points, the vast majority simply ignore it all, and nothing changes, at all, ever.

That is why I have given up exchanging with Theland, there is simply no point.

He and his cohorts are utterly uninterested in anything approaching a sensible debate, and they remain unable to provide a scintilla of evidence for their beliefs, while simultaneously rejecting the endless evidence to the contrary provided to them.

And round it goes, day in and day out.

Your point that maybe one person may be saved from believing the nonsense these people cough up day in and day out is obviously worthy, but do you seriously believe that anyone apart from the usual contenders aactually reads these merry-go-rounds?

I very much doubt it.

[naomi24]

When it comes to clarifying any point of dispute on the subject of religion, some of the non-religious are just as obstinate and just as reluctant to make the effort to investigate that which doesn’t suit them - just in case they;re proven wrong - and so, like the religious, they continue in ignorance.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // When it comes to clarifying any point of dispute on the subject of religion, some of the non-religious are just as obstinate and just as reluctant to make the effort to investigate that which doesn’t suit them - just in case they;re proven wrong - and so, like the religious, they continue in ignorance. //

That's human nature - no answer for that, no matter how many times the merry-go-round turns.

[naomi24]

If I come across something I doubt, I check it out. People who ask questions learn - people who don't - don't.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - //
If I come across something I doubt, I check it out. People who ask questions learn - people who don't - don't. //

Gosh, I didn't know that!!

Every day is a school day - except on threads like this, when they are Groundhog Day!!!

[naomi24]

Well, you know now. Always happy to help.

[fiveleaves]

The whole point of God sending His Son , Jesus to die for us was to offer us salvation. We all, however, have freewill so we can choose or reject God's way of salvation.
One second after death all those who choose to reject Jesus will realise what a terrible, terrible, terrible mistake they have made, but by then it will be too late

[Mozz71]

One second after death, we won't give a damn about al of this. We'll be dead.

[naomi24]

Fiveleaves, salvation from what? And why do you think an almighty God felt it necessary to hatch such a gruesome plan?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - Leave it!!! E's not worth it!!!!

Lol!!!!!

[douglas9401]

Instead of sending his son to die for us he coud have had him installed as a blue-tinged leader of a political party and saved all of this bother.

More than enough suspension of disbelief in the real world to grip the minds of the blindly faithful without resorting to ghost stories and sky dwellers.

In my humble opinion. :-)

[fiveleaves]

Naomi, If you read the title of this thread it tells you what salvation is from. All have sinned against a just and holy God.
God is not just much holier than you, He is infinitely more holy than you.
This is but one of the things the unbelievers and mockers can't grasp

[Atheist]

fiveleaves; can you define what you mean by 'holiness'?

[davebro]

I don't think I had an answer so I'll ask again - what happens to those sinners in the world who have never heard of the Christians' God and therefore have no route to supposed salvation?

[Atheist]

dave... and what about those 'sinners' on other worlds? Some of the hellfire advocates here seem to have very parochial outlooks.

[davebro]

If I went to heaven I'd probably be thinking (for eternity) "I wonder what it's like in Hell". The grass is always greener!

[Jackdaw33]

//One second after death all those who choose to reject Jesus will realise what a terrible, terrible, terrible mistake they have made, but by then it will be too late \\

This is contrary to JW teaching, which is that the dead are unconscious until the Day of Judgement.

[andy-hughes]

I'm just curious how the fervents know all this stuff they trot out with such enviable conviction.

Knowing what happens after death is quite a trick!!