Where Does God Get His Morals From?

[nailit]

Had a conversation recently with a ''born again'' type
(First conversation with a real life religionist in a while tbh....)

Thankfully only lasted a few minutes (felt like hours...but theres always one)
The usual subject of morals come from.
Atheists have no morals apparently. Or at least no OBJECTIVE morals without God.
I asked whose God?
Allah? Jehovah? Christ? Dionysius? etc.

I then asked where does God (In whatever way you view him/it/her) get THEIR morals from?
Conversation then petered out. (I was late for work anyway so no great loss)
I was in no way provoking an arguement, simply following through a logical discussion with a
question.

If humans need God's guidence to be moral, then where does God get his guidence from?

[nailit]

Your God is Immoral.
(Or at least your immagination of God)
Is immoral and sick and twisted.
Says more about you than non believers.

[fiveleaves]

So please educate me and put it 'IN' context.
When is it ever acceptable to stone people to death??So please educate me and put it 'IN' context.
When is it ever acceptable to stone people to death??

No, you put it in context. You brought the examples up, not me

[nailit]

Fiveleaves,
typical cultist.

OK ill try again (not expecting an answer tho)
Would you stone someone to death because God told you to?

[Atheist]

fiveleaves; If there was no god and therefore no absolute morality, would you do whatever you wanted without any thought for other people; would you rape or fornicate or steal or kill, or go uncircumcised, or go circumcised, or collect wood on the sabbath?

[Peter Pedant]

// Poorclare, And the arrogance to imply that others are unwise?//
The fool says: there is no God
Naomi you should know this!
perhaps you do
( psalms: The verse in fact occurs in two passages in the book of Psalms (at 14:1 and 53:1,))

[Peter Pedant]

Nailit - to address your concerns
this is the usual argument for god by infinite regression
well known - I thought it was Ansslm 1080 or Aquinas ( 1250)
here
https://www.answers-in-reason.com/religion/god-infinite-regress/

recently back in the news, as in computer logic and programming, you can have an infinite number of constants, but you CAN'T have a infinite number of lines of code...( = infinite regression)

[naomi24]

Fiveleaves to Nailit, //My moral code is better than yours, try and prove me wrong //

The moral code of anyone who accepts, and by extension condones, the deliberate infliction of pain and suffering upon any human being leaves much to be desired. You fail miserably.

PP, //The fool says: there is no God
Naomi you should know this!
perhaps you do
( psalms: The verse in fact occurs in two passages in the book of Psalms (at 14:1 and 53:1,))//

It says so in the bible, therefore it must be true. Yet another whoosh moment for you, PP.

[PsalmEquipt]

His moral compass of course. It always points to good.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

[naomi24]

//His moral compass of course. It always points to good. //

No it doesn't. What's good about tormenting people? Tell me.

[nailit]

//Would you stone someone to death because God told you to?//
Im listening but theres no answer. I'll wait!

//His moral compass of course. It always points to good//
Psalm obviously hasn't read the good book?
(or his/her morals are not those of rationalists?)

In all religious traditions God is called 'good' and yet is seen as a tyrant. (I include the Eastern religious standards in this)

'Rationally' speaking our morals come from a senses of self.
As long as I object to been murdered then murder will be wrong.
As long as I object to people stealing from me then murder will be wrong.
If I were a woman, then raping me would be wrong.

I don't need a god, particularly a middle eastern, desert dwelling, war mongering god, to tell me about morals.
A 'god'....demon by any other name....that tells me to slaughter innocent babies, slay innocent animals, kill women etc.
is immoral, an abomination by anyones standards.

religion is so f***** up

[nailit]

//As long as I object to people stealing from me then murder will be wrong//
Obviously I meant *Stealing* will be wrong...
Doh!

[Atheist]

Psalm...: 12:04.
You're using your inbuilt moral judgment to decide that God is good. God could be bad,but if you simply accept his values then you believe whatever he tells you. But in reality you don't; you use your own moral judgement to judge what he tells you. The morals come from you, not him.

[nailit]

//nailit, for someone who does not 'believe' you do like yarping on about religion.//

For someone who has been a member of AB for less than a week,
You do like 'yarping' on about someone you no nothing about.

[Atheist]

jura; that's what most religions seem to think, except when they are discussed by thinkers who accept that god must be asexual. But that doesn't seem to be the view of the masses of believers.

[nailit]

Jura is either a juvinile with access to the internet in his parents home or a cultist...
Amounts to the same thing really!
Both to immature to question .

[sandyRoe]

We've made god so his morality comes from us. A bigot will believe in a bigoted god and a liberal will project his own liberal views on the god he believes in.