Sinai Indaba

[Khandro]

[wolf63]

Have you been MIA?

I don't watch your videos but I had noticed that you hadn't bee posting.

:-)

[nailedit]

Faith...
Believing in things without good evidence
and for no good reason!

[naomi24]

Khandro, I’m pleased you’re posting again but I’m sorry to say you’re not off to the best start in expecting the reader to watch a 45 plus minute video in order to ascertain the purpose of your post. What do you want to know?

[Khandro]

n. It isn't "45 plus" long, it's 35 minutes, & you've no need to watch any of it at all, but why not watch say, 5 minutes (I'm sure you can spare that) & if you don't like it, then switch it off. But if you do, I would be interested to learn why you did so.

I believe quite a few of the regular AB assertions are intelligently (& wittily) addressed - including the one above your post.

[naomi24]

At about 13 minutes. 'If you have two choices, multiple universes or God, God has to win on logic alone' - or words to that effect. That's when I gave up. There is no logic in that whatsoever. In those circumstances the only logical thing that can be said is 'I don't know'.

[Atheist]

At 13 mins or so, the Rabbi applies Occam's razor to claim that there are only two possibilities, either An infinity of universes, or one God.
1 Occam's razor is not a logical way of proving anything, it's simply a guide to help choose between options.
2 Who says that there are only two options?
3 Why try to use logic when the talk is about faith?
4 Which faith is the right faith?

[Khandro]

//- or words to that effect//
wrong! That I think was his "Occam's razor" analogy; not based on logic at all, but on probability and elegance.

[Atheist]

Actually, his talk is about more than faith, but I've heard the Rabbi before, including debating with Dawkins. No religious person beats Dawkins in a rational discussion about God's existence. And even if there was a personal creator, there is no logical way to deduce all the supposed qualities of such a being (e.g. Loving, Personally interested in each living creature, Able to suspend the natural running of nature, Wrathful, Punishing and retributive, Forgiving and so on)
Best to believe quietly, as most people would do if left alone by preachers. Best not to teach that others' beliefs are false and should be crushed. The world would be a better place if the Golden Rule was used to guide behaviour.

[naomi24]

Khandro, Yes, he was referring to Occam's Razor - and the rabbi claimed 'God' to be the logical choice. It isn't.

[Khandro]

The rabbi says of Dawkins & the 'new atheists' (this was 7 years ago)

"On the surface he is profound, but deep-down, ....... he's superficial" ha-ha.

[naomi24]

Is that clever?

[Atheist]

Yes, I remember that the Rabbi was fond of amusing ripostes which went down well with an audience, but which were themselves avoiding proper discussion. Cardinal Pell from Oz was a bit like that.

[Khandro]

n. Well at least Atheist sees that there is a joke there.

[naomi24]

That’s not a joke. He can’t beat Dawkins in debate so trying to make him look a fool, khandro. The joke is on him. He’s rumbled.

[david small]

It’s basically one persons perspective and opinions. Of which there are seven billion others.

[Khandro]

He can’t beat Dawkins in debate......... really?

It's on YouTube, look if you like.

And David Small //It’s basically one persons perspective and opinions. Of which there are seven billion others.//

That also isn't true, there are many, many people increasingly thinking that the universe is intelligent, & strangely many of them are at the forefront of the newest science, which Richard Dawkins isn't by any means.

[naomi24]

Dawkins really is a bee in your bonnet isn’t he, khandro. Have you read much of his stuff?

Re the debate you recommend. Not like you to fail to post a link to a video.

[fender62]

we don't know until were dead thats basically is it, i take the premise that over history people have seen ghosts spectres spirits whatever
and that they can not all be lying, and if x percent is true, then it's somethng to ponder in that we go on after death, as for god or spirit names are erm names, i do not subscribe to abrahamic versions of god space is infinite, id say wait and see, id err on the side of spiritualism if i was to hedge a bet, but even thats limited, no jc or mary worship,

[Khandro]

naomi: OK as you asked, but this a really long one, over an hour, perhaps beyond you attention span (only kidding).

[nailedit]

Khandro,
Doesn't even know if hes's a Buddhist or a Christian.
Just takes any old scriptures as truth.

Its frankly tiresome to even have any discussion.