X Can Produce Y, But Can X Produce X ?

[Khandro]

I love this man,

[andy-hughes]

I hope he loves you just as much.

[douglas9401]

Jesus loves me

This I know...

[Spungle]

Excellent teaching, thankyou for sharing.

[naomi24]

He says he's interested in truth but he isn't really because he claims to know the answers.

[Zacs-Master]

Ah but S E N E M N X?

[Zacs-Master]

He seems to just accept that Genesis is the truth which I can't accept as a starting point. I suppose this boils down to the school debating society argument that the Big Bang created the universe but who or what created the Big Bang. That is a valid argument. 

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry, Khandro, I thought this would have gone further. 

[Khandro]

Yes Zacs, I"ve onlz just tuned in, we"re now at Bodensee (Lake Constance) Swiss Alps on one side and vineyards on the other the produce of which I"ll be sampling shortly.

More later!

[andy-hughes]

Like all talking heads, he starts from his own belief, and then presents what he puts forward as 'evidence' to back up what he believes.

It's the equivalent of a Flat Earther telling you to look at the horizon, and then advising you that it is the end of the earth.

[Khandro]

Yeah, dem Oxford proffs of mathematics is a dumb lot, dey should be listening more to Andy Pughes

[Atheist]

Khandro; Lennox seems to believe that there is something that explains why there is a universe, and he calls that something 'God'. He doesn't explain (in this video) in mathematical or scientific terms what 'God' is like: wise, clever, kind, loving, unconcerned about human welfare, deeply concerned about human welfare? Where does his belief in 'God' get us? It seems to be just a word to use about somehing we know nothing about.

[Khandro]

Atheist: //It seems to be just a word to use about somehing we know nothing about.//

That's true, but whatever it is, it's a mighty awesome power wouldn't you say?

[Atheist]

Khandro. I'm not sure if calling 'God' a power is justified. (You know what's said about power and corruption.)

Just suppose that the universe exists without 'God'. The universe is what it is, and the use of the word 'law' in relation to the observed workings of things isn't really accurate in my view; it shouldn't be taken to presume that 'God' is a lawmaker or enforcer. When the laws of science were first referred to as such, that was in the context of deism and a view of the world as resembling the then current  way of things (kings, rulers, despots, etc).

And what evidence is there that 'God' has all the human traits such as kindness, wrath, love, punishment etc? Why should he (and why 'he'?) when he can do what he wants?

[andy-hughes]

Khando - Academic intelligence was not, is not, and never will be, a guarantee that the thoughts it generates must automatically be correct and beyond challenge.

[andy-hughes]

Atheist - Khandro is in thrall to anyone with a camera and a Net link who says things he likes to hear.

The notions of doubt and challenge are not within his remit.

[Peter Pedant]

He says he's interested in truth but he isn't really because he claims to know the answers.

..... so if he said he didnt know the answers ( like whether it was true or not) you would say it was true ?

yeah OK AB on a coldish autumn night