God believers on answerbank

[wizard69]

Are there ANY God believers on answerbank that can actually answer questions put to them without resorting to belief/faith/conjecture? and can actually answer with reason/itelligence and honesty

[greenrook]

Hello wizard - Any such answers must be based on faith, since the believer can no more prove the existence of God than the unbeliever can disprove it. My own faith rests on a lot of observation during many years of agnosticism. I came to believe in the end because I couldn't NOT believe. From the tone of your question I'd guess you've come across a lot of people who've tried to convert you, like it or not! My background, by the way, is Regular Army followed by working in the building trade all over the place. I only mention that to show that I've always been in the habit of looking after myself rather than leaving it all to the Almighty (whoever He is, because I don't know, and neither does anyone, I mean ANYONE else)

[Theland]

Ouch! I've just been bitten by a secular humanist!

Has anyone got a plaster?

[Octavius]

Probably not, but there are plenty in B&S who believe in ghosts.

[chakka35]

There may be one or two, wizard, but I have yet to meet one - not only in AB but anywhere at all during many years of correspondence with religionists, creationists and the like. The sort of answers you require are rational ones, which, by definition, cannot emerge from irrational beliefs.

[chakka35]

And, greenrook, it makes no sense to equate the inability to prove God�s existence with the inability to prove his non-existence. It is not the job of the reasonable fellow to go around disproving every weird belief, otherwise we would spend our lives having to debunk astrology, fairies, tealeaf-reading, magic carpets and so on. It is for the believer to prove that his God exists; if he can�t or won�t then the rest of us can cheerfully ignore it all and get on with life.
Bertrand Russell put it neatly when he said that he could not prove that there wasn�t a china teapot in solitary orbit around the sun, but that did not mean that the claim that there was such a thing was just as valid as the assumption that there wasn�t. If for �china teapot in solitary orbit round the sun� you substitute �God� you�ll get the general idea.

[Octavius]

But chakka, this argument is such a boring routine from the non-believers who initiate trying to disprove the theory.

I don�t see a God-believer on here stating that God exists and inviting non-believers to prove otherwise. So if wizard wishes, they can get on with their life safe in the knowledge that God doesn�t exist � you are allowed to do that nowadays - without seeking reassurance from anyone else or being routinely bothered on AB by those who may believe that God does exist but can�t be assed to answer requests for proof.

[wizard69]

Octavious, if only non believers COULD get on with their life safe in the knowledge that god doesnt exist but its far more reaching than that.I certainly take your point but religion irks me.It irks me when god believers in america murder abortion doctors, it irks me when god believers fly planes into buildings, it irks me when i see children terrified of going to hell, it irks me when I see poverty stricken countries over populated because contraception might offend "god", it irks me when people like mother theresa rake in millions and keeps dying people in squalor,
it irks me when people are brainwashed into suicide cults.
it irks me that people quote the bible when they've never read the dammed thing.
If any political canvessers come knocking on my door I ask them for a logical explanation for their political affiliations.I ask no more of religious folk.

[Octavius]

Ok, I can see you needed to get that off your chest. Thats fair enough, all those things irk me too, but I thnk you'll find that even before the " existence " of 'God' as we know it today humankind was still doing most of those things.

In the days of yore, the more heads you chopped off with a sword, the more land you owned. But if you did it in the name of God, then that was ok.

I don't own a sword and never inflict my own beliefs on others, just defend my own rights - so we aren't all tarnished with the same brush.

[luna-tic]

Without appearing cynical toward your initial question "wizard69", If for instance a person who is devout in their belief of a God wished to answer any of your questions, What would you ask?
Even if they were a priest.

[chakka35]

Contrary to what you say, Octavius, greenrook produced that old religionist argument implying that the difficulty of proving a non-belief is equivalent to that of proving a belief , but that is not true. The believer has the quite impossible task of proving that his god exists; the non-believer has no task at all: he is like a sharpshooter who has been told to fire but has not been given a target to fire at. My non-belief in God is no different to my non-belief in Santa. Does that place me under an obligation to prove that Santa doesn't exist?

[wizard69]

Luna-tic...over the years ive actually found it pointless to ask questions of theists.(and that includes priests).Their replies are often banal and mostly illogical.some examples are:-why do you believe in god? answer=because he created me. How do you know that there is an afterlife? answer=the bible says so. If your god is a god of love, how do you account for all of the bloodshed that god ordered in the bible? answer=that was in the old testament .Can you prove the existance of god? answer=can you prove the non-existance of god.
I dont really look to theists for answers to lifes questions.to do so would be like owning a pencil without lead...pointless

[greenrook]

Wizard, sorry I spoke. I promise in future not to believe in suicide bombers, the murderers of abortionists and Mother Theresa, how's that?

[wizard69]

no worries greenrook!

[luna-tic]

Hello again "wizard69", Thankyou for your splendid reply. Not really wishing to repeat the same question but I understand that from some people who do follow religion that their answers to questions maybe not be the most informative as I've asked many myself but apart from the people on here either trying to confirm their beliefs and/or replying to your initial post by stating the possibility or not of a God/Being,you have not actually asked a question yet just to see if anyone has a useful and intelligent answer.
Sorry, are the questions you were going to ask on the reply to my initial post?

[jno]

few of us can prove anything. I can't prove the existence of atoms or Tasmanian devils, as I have never seen either one. All I can do is say that I've read about them and I am prepared to take the word of those who say they exist. I don't take the word of those who say God exists, but I can't very well protest if others say differently.

Most of our education consists of taking things on trust. And as the News section demonstrates, many still believe everything they see in the Daily Mail; plus, as Octavius points out, many believe in ghosts. Belief alone doesn't make you right or wrong, but it's probably pointless asking the average believer (in anything) to prove what he believes.

[pugwashjw]

Wizard 69... True answers can only be obtained from the Bible. Personal opinions are not valid.
The Bible says that man is incapable of directing his own affairs.
(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.