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Muslim girls + Hajib??
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Evening everyone! I am posting this on behalf of my sister, it should probably go in 'family' but never mind! My sister's partner is Muslim (fairly strict) but she isn't, neither of them have any intention of converting & they completely respect each others beliefs etc. They have a 6mth old daugter who he wants to raise as Muslim, my sister accepts this and is fine with most of the 'rules etc' - the only problem is that she doesn't want my neice to have to wear a Hajib (head-covering). She is fine about her wearing it to the Mosque or if she goes to a muslim school, but doesn't want her to wear one all the time!! Does anyone know if Muslim girls HAVE to wear a Hajib, I know they don't wear it at home - but my sis doesn't want her to have to wear it at all (other than Mosque/school!!) Thanks A xXx
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A view from behind the veil:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/ la-fg-women6jun06,0,4669523.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/ la-fg-women6jun06,0,4669523.story
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In response to llamatron's article. I am not defending the wearing of a veil as I find it an act of oppression by men to women. however before we in the West become too complacent, it has been the view in this country that women/girls have brought rape on by their provocative dress, ie short skirt, plunging neckline - she was asking for it. Women in this country are afraid to walk about at night as we fear rape from men. Why should we be the ones that hide? 20 years ago when waiting for my mother to give me a lift, I sought shelter out of the rain in a pub, 2 men assumed that I was a prostitute - because they must have thought a respectable single women wouldn't be in a pub on her own would she. So English/ British males stop trying to take the moral high ground
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No doubt about it I am, in similar way that some posters here make sweeping generalisations about Muslims. As on other threads it has been noted the word extremist gets dropped off and the horrific behaviour of a few gets to be used as if its the behaviour of a few.
Feminism has had its routes primarily in Britian and USA, predominately because these were wealthy countries where middle class women (white) had the time and energy to want more out of live. With the development of feminism the movement has been able to represent more widley the issues for black women and women of across the classes. The fight against injustice and oppression by men to women has created change in law, attitudes and culture. Full equality has not been reached such as pay but it is better than before such as when women had to have thier husbands permission to have a bank account, have a medical appointment. It is hardly surprising that women who have less economic freedom and much more dependance on family life are not as liberated as western women.
Feminism has had its routes primarily in Britian and USA, predominately because these were wealthy countries where middle class women (white) had the time and energy to want more out of live. With the development of feminism the movement has been able to represent more widley the issues for black women and women of across the classes. The fight against injustice and oppression by men to women has created change in law, attitudes and culture. Full equality has not been reached such as pay but it is better than before such as when women had to have thier husbands permission to have a bank account, have a medical appointment. It is hardly surprising that women who have less economic freedom and much more dependance on family life are not as liberated as western women.
Also I heard someone (I know very vague) on the radio who was had studied the Abrahamic religions and that Judasim and later Christianity had experienced major struggles between liberalism and fundamentalism when about 1500 years into their religion. As I have never studied religions I do not know if this is accurate or not. But, it did make my reflect that if Islam is where Christianity was in approx 1500 AD. Christianity at that time thereabouts was burning heretics, burning protestants or Catholic which ever was in power, what about witches, was the burning of them still a popular weekend spectacle for the locals to participate in? Also what about the Spanish Inquisition with its friendly way of dealing with anyone suspected of as being a threat against the state, religion or whatever?
Ruby, the thing you seem to be overlooking is the mindset of Islam. Islam is not simply a religion - it's a complete way of life and its adherents, male and female, actually think in a totally different way to those of us who have been born and bred with western values. Why do you think that quite a large proportion of Muslims living in this country - even many of those born in this country - feel that 9/11 and 7/7 were justified? Do you consider such a response rational? If western extremists had carried out similar atrocities in our name and for our cause, would you be happy to justify their actions and the result of their actions?
You compare the Christianity of 500 years ago with Islam of today, but there is no comparison, and nothing could be further from the truth. I'll agree that Christianity has been responsible for some appalling crimes against humanity, but if you look at the western world of 500 years ago, and even further back, you will find some incredibly strong and powerful women - Eleanor of Aquitaine, and Elizabeth I, to name but two. Islam today bears no comparison whatsoever to the Christianity of the past. I don't know if you have ever travelled to Islamic countries, but I have, and I can tell you our western way of life and our western values have nothing whatsoever in common with Islam - and never will have.
You compare the Christianity of 500 years ago with Islam of today, but there is no comparison, and nothing could be further from the truth. I'll agree that Christianity has been responsible for some appalling crimes against humanity, but if you look at the western world of 500 years ago, and even further back, you will find some incredibly strong and powerful women - Eleanor of Aquitaine, and Elizabeth I, to name but two. Islam today bears no comparison whatsoever to the Christianity of the past. I don't know if you have ever travelled to Islamic countries, but I have, and I can tell you our western way of life and our western values have nothing whatsoever in common with Islam - and never will have.
There is not sufficient space here to explain why I know these things but you�ll just have to accept, on my honour, that they are true.
I know of only one continuing happy equal inter-faith marriage and I have known a few��
The husband has the final word. Quite often this causes no problems for the wife as they have been broadly in agreement on the subject matter. However, where there IS disagreement the husband has the final word.
Any children of the marriage are the mothers until they reach the age of seven when they become the �property� of the fathers. Of course, during this first seven years the husband has the final word.
The children WILL be brought up in the Muslim faith; there is no argument about this because the husband has the final word.
Within the Muslim world there are different cultures with slightly varying practises based on the nationality of the family in question, but in all these cultures, the husband has the final word.
As the children grow older there is usually movement away from the non-muslim family and friends because they are ARE not muslim; this is encouraged because whilst muslims can be �friendly� with non-muslims they cannot be �friends� with them and the husband has the final word.
The children will be absorbed into the muslim world and be expected to behave as complete muslims � members of a community in but not OF the greater community and the husband and his family has the final word.
I know of only one continuing happy equal inter-faith marriage and I have known a few��
The husband has the final word. Quite often this causes no problems for the wife as they have been broadly in agreement on the subject matter. However, where there IS disagreement the husband has the final word.
Any children of the marriage are the mothers until they reach the age of seven when they become the �property� of the fathers. Of course, during this first seven years the husband has the final word.
The children WILL be brought up in the Muslim faith; there is no argument about this because the husband has the final word.
Within the Muslim world there are different cultures with slightly varying practises based on the nationality of the family in question, but in all these cultures, the husband has the final word.
As the children grow older there is usually movement away from the non-muslim family and friends because they are ARE not muslim; this is encouraged because whilst muslims can be �friendly� with non-muslims they cannot be �friends� with them and the husband has the final word.
The children will be absorbed into the muslim world and be expected to behave as complete muslims � members of a community in but not OF the greater community and the husband and his family has the final word.
Traditions will be adhered to � the seeking of marriage partners from extended family or favoured and honoured friends; the husband and his parents have the final word.
If the marriage breaks down before the children have reached the age of seven they can live with the mother providing she maintains the child/rens adherence to the muslim faith and on this the father has the final word.
He will then expect to take charge of the child and will have the final word on all decisions after that time.
The father can decide to take the child out of the country temporarily or otherwise and will see no need or reason to tell the mother because it�s only his decision that matters after all, he has the final word.
If the father decides to take the child/ren into a remote mountainous area of a foreign country never to see the mother again, what does it matter because he has the final word, and his family will turn their face from the mother as a non-muslim.
And what is more, no matter how accepted the mother is, his family will always wish and make their desire for him to marry �in-faith� known. Even if the marriage lasts into years of double-figure acceptance is only tenuous.
I wish your sister well but fear that only pain and tears await her.
If the marriage breaks down before the children have reached the age of seven they can live with the mother providing she maintains the child/rens adherence to the muslim faith and on this the father has the final word.
He will then expect to take charge of the child and will have the final word on all decisions after that time.
The father can decide to take the child out of the country temporarily or otherwise and will see no need or reason to tell the mother because it�s only his decision that matters after all, he has the final word.
If the father decides to take the child/ren into a remote mountainous area of a foreign country never to see the mother again, what does it matter because he has the final word, and his family will turn their face from the mother as a non-muslim.
And what is more, no matter how accepted the mother is, his family will always wish and make their desire for him to marry �in-faith� known. Even if the marriage lasts into years of double-figure acceptance is only tenuous.
I wish your sister well but fear that only pain and tears await her.
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