Sharia Law

[naomi24]

Did anyone see tonight's BBC documentary on Sharia Law in Nigeria? Any thoughts, and do you think a duel system of Sharia Law and British Law could work here?

[naomi24]

Lonnie, I can't see how it could work here with both corporal and capital punishment outlawed - unless of course the law of the land is changed to accommodate it.

[Teddio]

Not a good idea! For minor misdemeanours we could have a sentence of Stoning to Death followed by 100 hours of Community Service.

[Lonnie]

Thats true naomi, but I really beleive, the way this goverment is bending over backwards to accomodate them, if they were to forgo or suspend some of their punishments, it could happen.

[naomi24]

Lonnie, yes possibly you're right, if they were to forego some punishments. But would they be willing to do that?

[Octavius]

The inclusion of a dual legal system would infringe and contradict the provisions of the UK's Human Rights Act.

The point in my previous post - which bizarrely you called a "mistake" - was whether proponents of bringing back flogging and the death penalty would welcome a legal sytem which provided for such penalties to be carried out.

Of course this would require the re-legalisation of capital or corporal punishment, but it would seem a lot of people want this for offences such as rape, paedophilia and murder anyway.

[naomi24]

Octavius, I didn't call your previous post a mistake. I simply pointed out that it is a mistake to assume that those who call for the return of capital punishment in this country would necessarily advocate the brutality associated with Sharia law - in effect, stoning or beheading.

[Octavius]

As opposed to those British people who call for hanging, flogging or electricution?

Any form of corporal or capital punishment is brutally harsh, whether it is done under Sharia, old English, or US Federal Law.

Are you suggesting that having your neck broken in a knoose or being fried in a chair is less abhorrent?

[naomi24]

You cite US Federal Law, but as far as I'm aware we have never fried people in chairs in this country, so that's not relevant to this discussion. In answer to your question, yes, I would say that hanging is less abhorrant than beheading or stoning - it's certainly less bloody and less gruesome. I wouldn't like to see the reintroduction of hanging here, though - a lethal injection is preferable to any other form of execution.

[Octavius]

No, quite right electrocution has not been used in Britains, but it doesn't stop some fanatical people asking for it to be used.

Perhaps I should have said, burning at the stake, much less messy.

[naomi24]

Mmmm ..... doubt the Greens would go for it, though - got to consider of global warming.

[naomi24]

that should have been 'got to consider global warming'.

[Octavius]

Actually it could help in some way towards the global warming issue, tieing them up and setting a light to their self-produced methane would, pardon the expression - kill two birds with one stone.

[naomi24]

There you are then - you've cracked it.

[Sweep2k]

It's amusingly hypocritical to criticise the brutality of Sharia law and at the same time advocate a return to capital punishment.

You can split hairs as to why one is morally different to the other but it's all slight of hand. They're both totally backward.

I find Sharia Law repugnant. But thankfully there's no chance of it being introduced in Britain.

[butterfly23]

No dual system is effective. Could democracy and communism work together? No. And there is no state in the world in the present day that is fully governed by sharia law, so its incorrect to uphold nigeria as an example of it.

People often think Sharia law is brutal, because of things like lashings as a punishment. But the fact is whoever is carrying out the lashings is supposed to hold a copy of the Quran under their arm, whilst carrying out the lashing. This is to prevent the lashes from being too hard or brutal, as they wont allow the Quran to drop. But this isn't how lashings are carried out in this day an age.

[Robb Phoenix]

Here are some cases and verdicts given by Shariah judges in Arabia:
CASE 1: School boy(below 10) kills another in a tribal feud.(idea given by father).
CASE 2: Woman kills a man who tried to rape her.(many cases occur like this).
VERDICT: Wait till the person is 18 and chop his/her head unless the victims family agrees to take compensation.
Case 3: Man helps an old ailing neighbour for her treatment
CASE 4: 14 year old peddlar girl goes out of normal routine route with a 45 year old man.
VERDICT: Charged with illegal seclusion with the opposite sex (flogging and jail). The girl was additionally renounced by her father.
CASE 5: Man says the word Talak (a word told to initiate divorce in Islam) in his sleep.
VERDICT: Couple ordered to stay apart.
CASE 6: A woman marries a woman from a 'lower' tribe.
VERDICT: Marriage declared invalid. Couple jailed for disobeying court.
CASE 7: Man accidently injures another in the eye rendering him partialy blind.
VERDICT: Doctors ordered to remove the eye of the man who injured the other.
CASE 8: Parents barbaricaly abuse children (burns, multiple fractures,deep scars etc)
VERDICT: no action against parents if child recovers within a month(which they did!)
CASE 9: Step mother(or mother) brutally abuses and kills infant child.
VERDICT: it is up to the parents to decide if they have to receive punisment.
CASE 10: Extra marital relationship.
VERDICT: Couple to be publicaly stoned to death if they were'nt virgins while commiting crime else couple to be flogged an declared as outcasts(non muslims).
CASE 11: Muslim and non Muslim couple married and living happily fo over 10 years.
VERDICT: illegal for muslim to marry non muslim(other than Jews and Christains).Marriage invalid.
CASE 12: Muslim converts to another religion
VERDICT: Execution

[Robb Phoenix]

Interesting facts:
4 witnesses must be present to prove rape.
2 female witnesses amount to 1 male witness (as females lack the ability to recount events properly)
Women cannot function as the head of state.(as they lack leadership abilities).
Men can beat their wives to discipline them.
You must not mimick creations of God(nature).While this implies no drawing, photography,statue making etc, not many follow it, I wonder why?
Men must speak with women(except wives,daughters etc), only formally.
You are ready to marry as soon as you attain puberty.
There must be no physical contact(no handshakes!) between men and women.
Women must reveal only their face(not hair) and hands in public.
A women can let a man into her house only with the consent of her husband/male relative.
In Saudi women are not allowed to drive(as it would bring about distraction for men on roads and would bring about contact between men and women in case of breakdown of the woman's car).btw women can travel with a male driver.
Women discouraged from working in male schools as teachers, nurses and doctors (as they must touch men). btw in Saudi women cant work in shops (not even sections selling female lingerie).Physical education discouraged for girls.
Even little girls are included in this female seclusion.eg A football match was cancelled as the crowd included a 10 year old girl.
A man divorced his wife as she gave CPR to an old man despite his insistence to ignore the cries of help by the old man's daughter.(remember no contact between opposite sexes).
High school girls were prevented from exiting their burning school building as they were dressed inappropriately(they were wearing their school uniform but were 'exposing' their hair, hands and legs). Firemen were prevented from entering the building (as they were men).Many died.

[Robb Phoenix]

You have seen the Shariah law and its effects above. NOW WILL THIS WORK IN BRITAIN?
:-(