Info needed on the Qur'an

[FEELINLOST]

Can someone either a Muslim or someone who is very knowledgeable about the Qur'an, please explain to me if there is anything in the Qu'ran regarding Black people and people who have a disability?

Many thanks for any helpful info

[Doc.Spock.1]

It probably says they are infidels and need stoning to death.

[keyplus90]

In what regard?

[Octavius]

It depends on what you are looking for really, it will always be subjective and down to personal interpretation. Some will have moderate views that are parallel to the accepted norm (human rights / freedom of speech etc), then others will find chapter and verse to demonstrate otherwise.

Some info on the Qur�an and disability here:

http://muslimyouth.net/campaign.php?a_id=474&i d_fk=17&id_fkis=59&id_fkt=197

In regards race. The Qur�an does not allow hate against any race, nationality or colour. Conversely though, there will always be those who can seemingly justify such hate by accusations of �kaffir� or �infidel� to anyone at all. Whether that is race related is subjective. Similarly the Saudi�s issued a policy statement saying they will not allow Israeli�s or Jews to �poison their land� and actually banned them from going there. There didn�t seem to be much international outrage when this cartoon went to print��

http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/arab/saudi_as _evil.asp

[FEELINLOST]

To keyplus - I wanted to find out how the Qu'ran views individuals that are black or that have a disability.

I've heard many stories such as Saudi men cannot bring home a black women to the family (as a partner) because the Qu'ran doesn't allow or its against their religion etc!
I'm aware that there are a lot of black Muslims so I'm confused on this!

Also, I've heard that disability is viewed as taboo by the Qu'ran, not sure if this is true thats why I wanted to learn more about this.

To Octavius - thanks for your reply, I'm going to look at the links that you have suggested now, many thanks.

[keyplus90]

Although I am a Muslim but I couldn�t have given a better link than Octavius.

Quran does not speak about racism in general. But there are few verses that do reject any superiority or inferiority due to race.
"O' mankind, We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of Allah is the one with the most piety"

(The Quran 49:13).

The Prophet (saws) said: "Indeed there is no excellence for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab, nor a White person over a Black one, nor a Black person over a White one, except through piety".

A statement like this tells us that this man, Mohammed, was truly a receiver of heavenly inspiration. His words were not blank like the words of so many leaders today. Rather, he was always the first to lead by example, and this is why we find that during his lifetime so many different types of people accepted Islam. From amongst the Prophet's friends we find that he had an Ethiopian companion named "Bilal".

Bilal had been a slave before he accepted Islam, and as a result his position in Arabian society was worse than the animals. However, when he converted to Islam Bilal was given a status like no Black slave had been given before. He was given the immense honor of being the first person to call the "Azan" (call to prayer) in Islam's magnificent history. More outstandingly however, he was accepted as an equal and a brother by the Prophet and his companions.

Mohammad eradicated the problem of racial or color discrimination so successfully that, for example, "Omar" the second famous Ruler in Islam once said about Bilal: "Bilal" is our master"

[keyplus90]

I think Muhammad�s (pbuh) one wife was from Africa (not sure though if she was black) will try to find out. Even is she was not black still there are no restrictions as per religion.

Then Bilal as I mentioned earlier was a slave and became head and leader of Islamic army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_ibn_Ribah

If saudi�s are doing that( that I do have doubt about), then it has something to do with their personal attitude and there is nothing like that in Quran or Hadith (Prophet�s saying). There are so many Muslims who are not black and has black wives. I myself am from Pakistan (Asian) my wife is white English.

[FEELINLOST]

Thanks very much keyplus90 its quite fascinating.
Funny enough my mum is an Iranian (Muslim ) and Dad white English! Unfortunately I'm not on good terms with my mum as she recently viewed my fiance as a burden due to disabilty/illness. Her comments have been quite narrow minded due to my partner being black!
I have been shocked because of this and wander how and why she believes all this, is it through her faith or culture etc? I was quite disgusted and disheartend to be honest...........

[keyplus90]

Sorry to hear that, That is a common problem with few countries and people are still holding onto their cultural, and tribal customs. And more than that, sometime they attach this to religion just to add some extra wait to convince others.

However I would still say that you try to make your parents understand nicely as Islam even forbids from even speaking loud to parents and especially mother.

[Octavius]

Feelinlost, without wishing to demean anything you have said, could it be a simple case of the classic �not good enough for my son/daughter� scenario? Whilst it seems harsh, erratic and downright offensive, could it be a case of clutching at straws and finding any aspect of this person, a negative one, in the hope that it will put you off or make you reconsider?

It certainly sounds hurtful and malicious, but you might try to reason with your mum and find out whether it is specifically because of his colour and/or disability. Maybe she has had a bad experience in the past, or that she is genuinely a racist bigot, in which case you have some tough choices to make and I wish you all the best.

[FEELINLOST]

To Octavius and keyplus90 - I really appreciate your valuable comments and Octavius your right in saying that it is a case of 'your not good enough for my daughter'.
My mother is that type of person, she has always been very negative towards me in the past in anything I do compared to my younger brother as he gets treated quite differently!
Again weather this is a religious or culture, it is evident.

But I feel really quite ashamed of my mother's views and comments in regards to how she feels about my fiance. When she spoke with me she was saying everything so negatively - I really couldn't believe what I was hearing and to be honest myself and my fiance know its to do with his colour as a few years ago my grandma (my dad's mum) told us something in confidence which was so upsetting.
She said that my Iranian grandma wanted my mum to try to split us up because of the colour issue and we've had to keep this all to ourselves for a long time. Now my dad's mum is too old and fragile to discuss this again with me, so it is a very sad situation - my mum really doesn't realise how much she has pushed me away...