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Has religion brainwashed us all?
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A recent thread in News dealt with a woman in Italy being fined for wearing a burqa in a public place. Her husband's response was that he would henceforth be obliged to confine her to their home to ensure that no other man saw her face. Whilst many people on that thread supported her 'choice' to shroud herself from the rest of humanity, no one complained at the injustice of her enforced confinement. Are we really so indoctrinated into respecting religion that we do so even when it means accepting, and consequently condoning, a man's apparent 'right' to treat his wife so appallingly?
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It's her question, I was hoping for an answer.
Is this man an obnoxious man, or is he obnoxious because he's a Muslim?
There's lots of obnoxious people on this earth of all creeds (and none) and of all hues.
The real issue is how do you formulate a solution to domestic abuse?
As it affects every community and every culture, even ours.
Is this man an obnoxious man, or is he obnoxious because he's a Muslim?
There's lots of obnoxious people on this earth of all creeds (and none) and of all hues.
The real issue is how do you formulate a solution to domestic abuse?
As it affects every community and every culture, even ours.
Religion certainly wasn't *invented* to subjugate the masses. All ancient religions arose out of a basic human need to explain things. E.g. the ancients didn't know how the world was formed, so in their limited understanding they attributed its creation to a more powerful being.
However, as human evolution progressed and intelligence increased, the more savvy soon realised that religion could easily be used to keep the people in some sort of discipline, and then it became more about fear than anything else. Telling people that if they don't toe the line they will burn for eternity in unbearable agony can be a very powerful deterrent...
I certainly believe that the major religions are all about brainwashing. I have no doubt at all that the man who is the subject of this thread believes with all his heart that by confining his wife to his house he is following the requirements of his religion and, thereby, pleasing his god and booking his place in paradise...
However, as human evolution progressed and intelligence increased, the more savvy soon realised that religion could easily be used to keep the people in some sort of discipline, and then it became more about fear than anything else. Telling people that if they don't toe the line they will burn for eternity in unbearable agony can be a very powerful deterrent...
I certainly believe that the major religions are all about brainwashing. I have no doubt at all that the man who is the subject of this thread believes with all his heart that by confining his wife to his house he is following the requirements of his religion and, thereby, pleasing his god and booking his place in paradise...
Hi Jayne, I just wonder why people aren't actively opposing this appalling culture of inequality and injustice. I can only assume it's because society demands that religion alone must remain beyond criticism - and we believe it. Well it seems most of us do. Fortunately though, some of us rebels appear to have the wherewithal to rationalise and have therefore escaped this indoctrination unscathed. ;o)
Jayne, but if you read the posts on here, some who claim to be atheists and therefore have no 'God' figurehead are just as vocal as the religious in defending religion regardless of its practices, which leads me to suspect that they are indoctrinated into believing that religion is beyond criticism. Otherwise it makes no sense.
> If God did not exist, Man would create Him.
Indeed. And let's not forget that religion is the opium of the people...
> why people aren't actively opposing this appalling culture of inequality and injustice.
You don't have to believe in religion to be afraid of it! Italy remains an extremely religious nation (the actual religion isn't really the issue), and Catholics are for the most part wary of being overtly critical of Islam and Judaism, despite the fact that the reverse isn't always the case.
I know at least one devout Muslim (prays five times a day, etc) who completely abhors fundamentalism but is afraid to speak out against it because of the certain reprisals against him and his family...
As mentioned, fear is a very powerful deterrent...
Indeed. And let's not forget that religion is the opium of the people...
> why people aren't actively opposing this appalling culture of inequality and injustice.
You don't have to believe in religion to be afraid of it! Italy remains an extremely religious nation (the actual religion isn't really the issue), and Catholics are for the most part wary of being overtly critical of Islam and Judaism, despite the fact that the reverse isn't always the case.
I know at least one devout Muslim (prays five times a day, etc) who completely abhors fundamentalism but is afraid to speak out against it because of the certain reprisals against him and his family...
As mentioned, fear is a very powerful deterrent...
Yes the husband who denied his wife dental treatment is obnoxious.
I've read stories of white women being beaten by their husbands because a male doctor attended their birth.
People of faith have the right to be treated with the same respect and courtesy as anyone else, whether you like them or agree with them or not.
It's called freedom, extremism is not defeated by more extremism because the result is more extremism.
I've read stories of white women being beaten by their husbands because a male doctor attended their birth.
People of faith have the right to be treated with the same respect and courtesy as anyone else, whether you like them or agree with them or not.
It's called freedom, extremism is not defeated by more extremism because the result is more extremism.
Tolerance is one thing, but religion is not above the law, and domestic violence / spousal abuse is just as illegal in Italy as it is in this country.
What about a follower of a religion which required human sacrifice (there are still some left in the world). Should they be allowed to practice their faith just because it's part of their religion...?
What about a follower of a religion which required human sacrifice (there are still some left in the world). Should they be allowed to practice their faith just because it's part of their religion...?
Everton, // Yes the husband who denied his wife dental treatment is obnoxious //
Well why are you defending this culture then?
//People of faith have the right to be treated with the same respect and courtesy as anyone else............It's called freedom//
Tell that to the men of the culture you're defending because they are clearly unaware of it - and it certainly isn't working that way for their wives!
Mark, I've raised that question with Everton before. He says Jehovah's Witness parents have every right to kill their children by refusing them life saying blood transfusions because they think the bible forbids it. Human sacrifice? Yes, some people still support it.
Well why are you defending this culture then?
//People of faith have the right to be treated with the same respect and courtesy as anyone else............It's called freedom//
Tell that to the men of the culture you're defending because they are clearly unaware of it - and it certainly isn't working that way for their wives!
Mark, I've raised that question with Everton before. He says Jehovah's Witness parents have every right to kill their children by refusing them life saying blood transfusions because they think the bible forbids it. Human sacrifice? Yes, some people still support it.
Mark, that should have been 'life-saving', but you're welcome.
Incidentally Everton, you seem to be rather confused about the meaning of the word 'freedom'.
It may have escaped your notice, but two Muslim women have just been elected to Parliament. Take a look at them.
http://www.guardian.c...ion-female-muslim-mps
That's freedom!! Being enshrouded under a burqa for life, afraid to look at a man, let alone speak to him, being confined to home, and refused medical treatment on the orders of a man who lives by the tenets of a 1500 year old book is not!
Incidentally Everton, you seem to be rather confused about the meaning of the word 'freedom'.
It may have escaped your notice, but two Muslim women have just been elected to Parliament. Take a look at them.
http://www.guardian.c...ion-female-muslim-mps
That's freedom!! Being enshrouded under a burqa for life, afraid to look at a man, let alone speak to him, being confined to home, and refused medical treatment on the orders of a man who lives by the tenets of a 1500 year old book is not!
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