Horizon - What is Reality?

[naomi24]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...2011_What_Is_Reality/

If those who claim the so called 'paranormal' doesn't exist want food for thought, do please watch it - that is if you can bear to think outside your comfort zone.

[ludwig]

I just watched that Naomi. The thing is it's science - wild speculation about weird and unproven things is ok in science.

[SpiderPig]

Wow!...way to miss the point, Naomi!

Did you even watch the programme?

I heard event horizon, quarks and quantum physics... not ghosts, astrology and ouija boards!

[sandyRoe]

'I do not know whether i was then a man dreaming that I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming, dreaming I am a man.
That's a two pipe puzzle, sure enough.

[naomi24]

spiderpig, let me make myself clear to begin with. I do not believe that anything is supernatural. I believe that everything must have a logical explanation. Right, that said, I think it's you who are missing the point - and big time. This programme talked of parallel universes, something that was brief touched upon in the last discussion here on the subject, but most interestingly of all it confirmed that in quantum physics it is apparently theoretically possible for a man to walk through a solid wall. What does that suggest? To anyone with an enquiring mind it really ought to be food for thought.

[naomi24]

^^ *briefly

Ludwig, yes indeed. It's so blinkeredly (I made that word up) odd. :o)

Sandy, perhaps you smoke too much. ;o)

[Huderon]

Oh that was quite fun :-)

I'd say that for most of us, reality is what we see around us modified by what we learn as we go through life. The physicists, theoretical and practical, may well have their own realities, but for the majority of people those realities don't impinge on our daily lives.

[slinkycat]

Yes I watched it, I tried to understand, but when one of the phycicists said to the researcher "no, don't say you understand it because no-one does" I gave up!
The main theories seemed to suggest that either everything is a hologram or we are all made of mathematical equations, knew I should have made more effort in maths at school!

[cupid04]

There was something better on the other side!

[Theland1]

Naomi, you claim that everything must have a logical explanation, yet the science spoken of in the programme defies logic, and that is a widely held view amongst scientists.
The idea of a "Multiverse" gives rise to the explanation of the creation of our own universe, from a quantum vacuum fluctuation probably arising from de Sitter space, that gamma ray inhabited leftovers of a previous universe. Or so it is said amongst the scientific speculators.
But, notice, that every explanation of the origin of the universe and of ulimate reality is given with the assumption of preconditions.
Not much different then from turtles all the way down.
God remains as the First Cause of everything, and taking Him out of the equation is truly illogical.

[naomi24]

Slinky, //no one understands it//, and that's the whole point of my post. They don't - but there are people here who think they do.

Theland, the further science explores and the more it discovers, the less requirement there is for the idea of a creator God - unless of course he turns our to be some spotty computer geek sitting in another dimension pressing buttons - and our world is the Matrix!

[bibblebub]

There's nothing 'paranormal' about it; if you think there is then that just shows that you are the one who can't think outside of your comfort zone.

[naomi24]

Sorry Theland, I didn't address your point about logic. It might defy logic as we, at this moment in time, perceive logic, but with progress the conception of logic changes. Not so long ago the idea of a machine heavier than air being capable of flight was considered to be completely illogical.

[naomi24]

Bibblebub, you haven't read my posts, or if you have you haven't understood them. I'm not for one moment suggesting it is paranormal. Quite the reverse. I'm suggesting that what people imagine to be paranormal most definitely isn't.

[sandyRoe]

Parallel universes may have been touched on in the bible. John 14:2. In my father's house there are many mansions.

[Ankou]

"it confirmed that in quantum physics it is apparently theoretically possible for a man to walk through a solid wall. What does that suggest?"

that the pauli exclusion principle was not discussed in any great detail.

[woofgang]

reality seems to be what the majority of people in the group agree that it is at any one time :-)

[Ankou]

ah woofgang, so if you are on your own you cannot prove what is reality ? so you make it up and then try to convince others ?! or can we base your reality it on outr own known/considered likelihoods with some level of inquisition?

[ludwig]

Everything has the ability to be in two places at the same time. Who would have taken that seriously a few years ago? and yet it is a realiity.

[LazyGun]

@Naomi - Wow -do you automatically think that those that disagree with you are unable to "think outside their comfort zone"? Seems pretty rude and insulting to me.

Havent seen the show as yet - will catch up with it on i-player.

[woofgang]

If you are alone then you are the group and your perception is your reality. When you are not alone, you don't necessarily try to convince others but interaction between individuals modifies each others realities.