Money paid out -Racing

[islasmum]

If you bet on two runners in different races and go for an each way double, do you get any money back if one horse wins but the other comes nowhere?

[Brenden]

Shouldn' think so islasmum you have bet on a double - I may be(probably am) wrong.

[islasmum]

Thanks Brenden, that's what the OH said, but I hoped he was wrong!

[joeluke]

Both horses have to either win or be placed

[Psybbo]

No

[rojash]

As I understand it, the winnings from the first race are placed on the second.
So, if the horse is not placed in the first, there is nothing to bet in the second.
Equally, if the horse 4is not placed in the second, the winnings from the first (which were bet on it) are lost.
So, Brenden is right.

[ELVIS68]

"Double" being the keyword

[New Judge]

Nothing to come. By placing an Each-Way double you are making two bets: for the first to be successful both runners have to win; for the second to be successful both have to be placed.

[eyethenkyew]

Is this a serious question???

[ELVIS68]

Or one to win and the other placed

[craft1948]

^ obviously not to you.............

[New Judge]

A win is a place, Elvis.

[Wharton]

sibton - you have the gift of brevity.

[ELVIS68]

No, a win is a win, a place is a place

Wins pay full odds, places pay a 1/4 or 1/5 of the odds depending what type of race and how many runners

[New Judge]

Not quite correct, Elvis (though I am being a bit pedantic).

When one horse wins and one is placed it is the "place double" that is successful, with both horses being placed. If one horse wins and the other comes second the bet is settled at place odds (including that for the winner). So if they are both 10/1 (fifth odds) the bet is calculated at 2/1 for each of them, ot 10/1 and 2/1.

[ELVIS68]

Ah, so you're talking about a win being a place as in winning bet, not a winning horse?

[New Judge]

What I'm saying is that a horse that wins a race is also placed.

If the bookmaker pays a place for the first three then there are three placed horses in the race. Some bookies accept place [only] bets. So you can do a place double so even if both selections win all you get is the place odds. As I said, I'm being a bit pedantic, but a winning horse always returns place odds as well as win odds. (The place odds and the number of places are determined by the number of runners and the type of race).

To reinforce my point, if you look at the racing results you will find that the "Tote" returns both a win dividend and a place dividend for winning horses. Here's the result of the 3:25 at Epsom today:

http://www.sportingli...g-e-b-f-maiden-stakes

There were eight runners and the Tote pays a place for the first three in an eight horse race. You will see the win dividend and three place dividends thus showing that the winner is also considered to have been "placed".

[bluemoon1]

How could you possibly expect to get anything back from a double if one horse came nowhere. If it was a non runner you would get something back?

[owdhamer]

No.

[owdhamer]

I gamble in a small way tonight it was 10p ew round robins stake two pounds. I had a win at 2/1 a win at 22/1 and a place at 5/2,return twenty one pounds ,three other bets made four pounds

[joeluke]

^ Each way @ 2/1 and 5/2???

I never bet each way unless the odds are over 5/1