IDE HDDs on SATA mobo

[ugly_bob]

I've got a new PC. I want to put my old HDDs into it. Unfortunately, the connections are different. I bought 3 of these (2HDDs and 1 DVD Drive) and one of these to power the 2 HDDS from one available plug. The leads all turned up, but don't have the right connections either!! The Circuit boards don't appear to have a SATA power connection on, just 2 data. and the power lead from the board goes to a 2 pin male (in 4 pin enclosure) molex. HELP!! Do I need to get 2 of these for the power instead of my existing one (I know I don't need 2 doubles, but seems as easy as a single). Then, what sort of problems might I have with jumpers?

[ugly_bob]

Bit more info:-
First old HDD is 500GB data drive, just want to plug in and use as F: drive again.
Second old HDD is 60GB old system drive. Want to plug in and use as mirror/backup for 60GB system partition on new HDD - need to reformat to remove old OS etc.
OLD DVD-RW drive will be secondary optical drive in new PC - Think it was set to master in old PC with DVDROM slave.
All would have dedicated SATA data connections to mobo, so would jumper configs matter anymore?

[ChuckFickens]

Why not just get a couple of USB hard drive caddies?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/275-9 011431-4544636?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-ke ywords=3.5+ide+caddy&x=0&y=0

and it's probably going to cost you nearly as much for the cables to connect your old DVD-RW drive as a new one suitable for your computer would be

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/279-3 216832-3464619?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-ke ywords=sata+dvd&x=0&y=0

[kempie]

Provided there was a free PCI slot, from the outset I would have gone this route...

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cont roller+Cards/IDE/+IDE+2+Port+PCI+Controller+Ca rd?productId=20137

One controller for up to 4 IDE devices, 2 per channel set up using the usual Master/Slave configuration.

[ugly_bob]

Don't really fancy having external HDDs everywhere. More cables and clutter etc etc.
There's room inside, so why not have them there.
Cables seem to be about �4 - cheaper than new drive!

[ACtheTROLL]

You got the wrong power converters
to a bigger extent - you are getting on a long and slippery bodge it trail

the sata converters use molex power connectors (as did the first HDDs) - in this case presumably to save space they've supplied a molex to mini-molex (like wot floppys use) converter THESE
(can't see any on google - but my PSU still has a couple of "retro" connectors)
so you are right - should have either got one of
them... no THESE

or you can build your own after a trip to maplins

with sata - each chanel is master
the dvd drive - for �15 I'd splash on a new one (fnah)

you also need to realise - the adapters are 100/133 compliant - which just means they are SATA1 - which means they are about 1/3 the speed of a new sata drive.....

and the rule is - that all devices work at the speed of the slowest device - so saving a quid has a cost as well.
(using usb - you won't have this problem)

[ACtheTROLL]

also setting up a jbod raid array to use the 60 (which is probably just ide) will knock sh@t out of the mobo (raid 0 and 1 are native controlers - but jbod and 5 "steal" proccessing space)

I'd cut my losses - and go with chuck

but if you are set on it - chuck the adapter - and go with kempie - that way you won't impact on performance
(don't forget - you will probably need a PCIe card
http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index. pl?origin=gbase28.3&prodID=B95236 - not pci)

[kempie]

Although PCI is a dying interface, is it truly the case that the multitude of modern mobos have dispensed with them completely? A lot of current mobo specs still seem to include at least one PCI slot in addition to its PCIe successor.

Allowing for my original caveat - "Provided there was a free PCI slot" - I see no benefit in connecting an ATA 133/100 controller to PCIe lanes operating at more than twice the ATA bandwidth (and paying more for the hardware for the privelege) when PCI offers more than adequate bandwidth.

It is also a common misconception that, if two devices of different speed capabilities are on the same cable, both devices' data transfers will be constrained to the speed of the slower device. Modern ATA host adapters support independent device timing. This allows each device on the cable to transfer data at its own best speed. A minimal speed reduction may be observed due to other effects of the pairing but it is certainly not to the extent of reduction to the lowest common denominator.

[ACtheTROLL]

kempie

I think its one of those things - some do some don't - and it's not high end or low either

I've seen a few boards recently with only 2pcie no uIDE, 2 ram slots and 4 sata
I turned up last week with a couple of opticals - and found nowhere to plug em in
so just probably worth checking before buying (given the other stuff)

as for the ata / uata
where sata is provided I've found a couple of mobos with only straight IDE (40w ribbons provided) the assumption being that they would be used for optical only) - and even a paragraph warning about no c/sel and mixing.
I think you're right though - with csel - it's less important (if at all)

[ugly_bob]

Right.
I've just had a look at my media player HDD - it's SATA anyway.
I'm gonna swap that over with the IDE one inside case - since media player enclosure has IDE connections also.

What do I need to do about the drive jumpers though - are they even needed any more?

I think I'm gonna have to have a look inside again and see what exactly I have got. This PCI/PCIe thing may be the reason my PCI USB 2.0 board wasn't working. ho hum.

Using one of the SATA converters for the secondary DVD won't affect performance for anything else will it? It's not going to be used much anyway - Only putting it in cos I've got it!

Using small old OS disk as backup not seeming a good idea then I take it - unless I bring it outside to an external enclosure or get PCI (maybe e) card for IDE connection

Thanks for the answers guys.

[ACtheTROLL]

sata uses a single chanel - so is master (no other option - and yes if it's there leave it)

IDE requires40 way ribbon and uses master /slave

ultra IDE should have 80 way ribbon and can use master/slave - but was intended to use c/sel (although the first ones were a bit unreliable)

cd/dvd is already slow (compared to HDDs) so you should be OK

I've had this very discussion today with a chum - he's determined to build a new machine - but use all the bits from his old p3.

it hurts to throw bits away - and HDDs never get anywhere near the 100/133 they are supposed to - but if you copy files from a new to an old disk - it just won't go faster than the slowest one.