When Will There Be Finally Self Driving Cars?

[Lombax]

Do you think it will happen in this decade? Or that it will take far longer?

[ToraToraTora]

this wont be the last death before they realise that this is pie in the sky:
https://www.theregister.com/2019/11/06/uber_self_driving_car_death/?utm_campaign=Partner%2BUpdate&utm_medium=web&utm_source=Partner_Update_193

[ToraToraTora]

hymie, I suggest you read my answers here:
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1717896.html
then I won't have to repeat them here.

[ToraToraTora]

the basic problem is that the we have neither reliable enough hardware nor have we covered all possibilities with the software;
https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/self-driving/fatal-tesla-autopilot-crash-reminds-us-that-robots-arent-perfect

[Hymie]

TTT – I suggest you read the wiki article, an extract below:-

Yandex launched a Europe's first robotaxi service with no human driver behind the wheel in the Russian town of Innopolis.[111] At the beginning of 2020 it was reported that over 5,000 autonomous passenger rides were made in the city.[112] At the end of 2018, Yandex obtained a license to operate autonomous vehicles on public roads in Nevada, USA. In 2019 and 2020, Yandex cars carried out demo rides for Consumer Electronic Show visitors in Las Vegas. Yandex cars were circulating the streets of the city without any human control.[113][114] In 2019 Yandex started testing its self-driving cars on the public roads of Israel.[115] In October 2019, Yandex became one of the companies selected by Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) to provide autonomous passenger rides to the visitors of Detroit Autoshow 2020.[116] At the end of 2019, Yandex made an announcement its self-driving cars passed 1 million miles in fully autonomous mode in Russia, Israel and USA.[117] In February 2020, Yandex doubled its mileage with 2 million miles passed.[118] In 2020, Yandex started to test its self-driving cars in Michigan.[119]

[AZardoz]

// there will never be autonomous vehicles. //
TTT, face facts. Repeating that mantra doesn't make it so.
They are here.

Practically everyone grossly overestimates their abilities.
Watch the 2nd video above. Just the first minute will do.
That shows how well humans are doing, yet most here are OK with the carnage.

[AZardoz]

Autonomous vehicles have been here for at least 15 years. It became public with The Great Robot Race, sponsored by DARPA, & they have upped the ante every year.
Now it's SAR robots. One of the robots' chores is to DRIVE a vehicle through a chicane.

I'm not sure what you folks are allowed to watch over there, but here's a start:
https://tinyurl.com/y2olepbf
A semi (articulated HGV) delivered its load of beer 200 kms away almost 4 years ago.
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/ubers-self-driving-truck-makes-first-delivery-50000-beers/
The controversy that followed was mainly whether Budweiser qaulified as a beer.

They are on the roads. e.g. Uber & Google, and others as Hymie mentioned.

[ToraToraTora]

i'll say it again
here is one of the answers I gave on the thread mentioned above:
"when I can get in my car, sit in the back seat, get it to drive me around the pubs and home again with me Rat Faced on the back seat eating a kebab and any death and destruction it causes is not my fault, then we can have self driving cars, i.e. never! If I have to be there, alert, responsible ready to drive, what's the point? I'd rather drive it myself. "
no car will ever be autonomous, I'll take any bet you like.

[AZardoz]

TTT, did you watch the first video @ 9:28 ?

[ToraToraTora]

yes, I did, that's not an autonomous car.

[ToraToraTora]

my definition of an autonomous car is defined above 19:43. When that happens I'll pay you out.

[AZardoz]

That's basically what happened. They were driven to a restaurant. The car came back & drove them to the start point. Even avoided hitting the pigeons.

[ToraToraTora]

yes in this very isolated example, can it do it in all situations forever? Do you have any knowledge of software?

[AZardoz]

Yes, I've worked in IT most of my life, including AI.
What is the reliability factor for human operators ?
Most are not exactly "drivers", considering the mayhem they cause.

[ToraToraTora]

can you write me a list of instructions to make a cup of tea.

[AZardoz]

Now I understand what your problem is.

[ToraToraTora]

tell you what scratch that, it's very difficult, write me the algorithm for a bubble sort, the simplest of all sorts, let's not run before we can walk, use any form of Psuedo code I'll get it.

[ToraToraTora]

20:17: ah the sudden realisation that you are out of your depth! PMSL!

[AZardoz]

No, just that Jethro Tull named an album after you.
It's like the religious posts here. No point in even trying to explain the obvious.

[ToraToraTora]

do the sort algorithm at least that's easy for any level of programmer.

[ToraToraTora]

they can't even get cruise control with knobs on working, let alone full autonomy!
https://news.sky.com/story/tesla-driver-on-autopilot-crashes-into-police-car-while-watching-film-12058830