The Universal Declaration Of Human Rights (Udhr) Right To A Family Life.

[Khandro]

Has anyone read the articles of the declaration? A summary here;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

There seems to be some odd 'rights' in there, such as having a right to property etc. But I'm trying to find out why we should have a 'right to a family life', which seems to be a loophole being used to cover lots of ridiculous claims for remaining in a country.

I know several people who don't have family life & are quite happy with that. Conversely there are people who do have a family life & wish they hadn't 😄

Should that right be removed  ?

 

 

[Hymie]

I don’t think that the right to property is unreasonable, otherwise a government could confiscate any property you have (without cause) or prevent you from having property in the first place.

 

Similarly, if you don’t have the right to a family life, governments could prevent persons from having children/living together – but this right seems to be being abused in that once you have a family, being together is sacrosanct.

 

Clearly if you commit a crime and are jailed, you cannot say if you jail me I will lose my family life (during the time I am incarcerated) – so you cannot jail me.

 

A similar test should be applied to those making such a claim to family life – if your child does not like the chicken nuggets in a certain country; tough, you will still have a family life (in that country, if you so wish).

[naomi24]

The problem lies in the way judges interpret the law.   The 'human rights' of law-breakers should never take precedence over those of the rest of society.   People who are here illegally should be booted out - unceremoniously - with no 'right' to appeal.

[Khandro]

Hymie: My eyebrows raised at 'The right to property' because I'm (a) Not sure what it means and (b) if it is true, does it means that the more than 1 billion people living under Communism are suffering human rights abuses?

As you rightly point out, the right to a family life is an absurdity when it is interpreted in a way that means an ilegal immigrant can't be removed because he has a cat. 

[naomi24]

//the right to a family life is an absurdity when it is interpreted in a way that means an ilegal immigrant can't be removed because he has a cat. //

 

But he can be removed - if the judge so decides.  The judges are at fault here.

[Hymie]

I’ve never understood where people get the idea that people (citizens) don’t own property in communist countries.

[Khandro]

Hymie ; //I’ve never understood where people get the idea that people (citizens) don’t own property in communist countries.//

I recommend Waiting for Snow in Havana by Carlos Eire to learn how it's like to live under Communism in Cuba. Under Castro, nobody really owned anything. It doesn't mean you don't have dwelling, it's just that it belongs to the State.

 

[Old_Geezer]

No issue with folk having a right to family life, but if someone does something to prevent it in a particular nation, then that is their concern.

 

If someone misbehaves and is deported they have the right to try to persuade their family to join them, and persuade the country they are going to, to accept them; but that ball is still in their court. They work out how they arrange their family life  it's not the job of the nation they have offended to work the details out for them, nor to capitulate to their demands to stay.

[bednobs]

So those people in Cuba still had a Property? They just didn't own it. Like loads of people renting here. Does it say the right to own property.

[Khandro]

In China it seems there is no ownership of property;

https://www.lehmanlaw.com/resource-centre/faqs/real-property/is-it-correct-that-china-does-not-allow-private-ownership-of-real-property.html

 

[Hymie]

This wiki article gives the breakdown on land/buildings ownership in China, which shows that there is no bar to such ownership.  As is common in many parts of Asia, foreign nationals are not allowed to buy land in China.

 

Of course the right to having property is not limited to land/buildings, but other goods such as cars, boats, household goods, clothes etc.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_law_in_China

[Khandro]

Hymie: I think you might find that the Wikipedia page has been continually altered in the favour of the Chinese Communist Party.

The citizens of China are now subjected to a personal points system. Facial recognition & CCTV cameras ensure that everyone except 'those who are more equal than others', are under constant surveillance.

Even crossing a pedestrian way on red will lose you points, all of which is used against you when applying for a job or housing.

Communism is the greatest con. & lie perpetrated against society in the history of civilization.   

[douglas9401]

Oooh, Sherlock is still constipated. 🙄

Never mind, I'll have another trampoline and telly, hold the virus.

[Hymie]

Whilst many wiki pages covering persons and governments may be subject to edit by those wishing to put a positive or negative slant on the topic – you can always search other independent sources on the web to confirm (or otherwise question) the information.

 

I’m no software master, but there are hundreds of web links to buying property in China, many posted by companies wanting to charge people for assisting them in buy property in China – so besides the wiki link, I’m fairly certain that people can own property in China – unless there is some giant conspiracy going on.

 

Doug – get the popcorn out.