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Better late than never - I want to say thank you to those who replied. Clanad, an excellent reply as always. It will be my sixth visit to the states, but I've never been this far west before! I will certainly be taking what you said on board. Mikey - I know what you mean, but the friend I am travelling with is not very good on coaches, and they do seem a full day trip. Also out of a six day trip we are spending the best part of two days flying there and back so another full day out is another day away from Vegas. If we fly it tends to be a four hour trip door to door, so we get many more hours in Vegas, and also I think that we will get a better overall view of the canyon than if we were stood at bat poo point on the West Rim. I can see the advantages of both trips, but I think that on this occasion it will be the plane. Next time I'll the coach trip!