Passport Rules

[Dagman]

Hi Ab'ers. Can anyone clarify this for me? My 10 year passport was issued in Sept 2013, we are going to Madeira in July this year. With all the carry on with Brexit and rule changes is it valid? I've read loads of info and come to the conclusion I'm ok for almost another year as according to some it must have 3 months remaining before expiry. Is that right for the present rules? Don't want to be caught out due to a stupid oversight. Thanks.

[bobbinwales]

Am not aware of any rule changes

[Peter Pedant]

this says you are gonna be in trouble

https://www.jet2.com/en/flights/safe-travel/travel-requirements/madeira

Portugal is our oldest ally ( 1373 ) and it depends on whether they have a sense of hunour as far as I can see

[Peter Pedant]

I mean for m'gululand
it doesnt actually matter - it is always sorted out at the airport with dollar bills. Egypt in Oct 22.
well I got my brother off a spying charges at the airport last time by dancing around and saying gooba gooba. - In fact explaining in moderate arabic that we both retired professionals, and I was blind and he was deaf.

it just looked like gooba gooba to other tourists and ABers of course

[bobbinwales]

PeterPedant please can you clarify why that links suggests trouble? It looks okay to me

Your link says

"Check your passport's validity
As the UK is no longer part of the European Union, most EU countries now require UK passports to be less than ten years old and still be valid for at least three months at the time you're due to leave their country. Just so you know, if you renewed your passport before your previous passport expired, any extra months that may have been added to your new passport’s expiry date, making it valid for more than a ten year period, may not count.

For example, a passport with an issue date of 1 January 2012 and an expiry date of 31 October 2022 isn’t valid for beyond 1 January 2022, ten years from its original issue. Check the date of issue on your passport to work out whether it meets this criteria and make sure your passport is valid for travel here.

[Prudie]

Surely then it runs out in September 2023 and you have well over a year left, plenty for July this year.

[bobbinwales]

I agree Prudie, am wondering whether PeterP as misread it

[perseverer]

As I understand it, it is 10 years from date of issue, not date of expiry. If your passport was renewed before the previous one expired, remaining months might have been added, so its expiry date could be over 10 years from date of issue, and this is what has caught people out.

[bobbinwales]

I dont get PeterP's reference to "m'gululand" neither.... presume its on apar with 'bongobongo land'

[Peter Pedant]

erm - then you get the ref to m'gululand....
Jeez mainstream AB.
I dont get it. Is m'gululand next to bongobongoland
yes
I still dont get it

PP checks to see if he has slipped off AB onto a site with an even lower level of comprehension. he hasnt

and boys and girls - explode the choice in the URL - "required passport rules" and it says three mo as usual - or three mo is usual. Didnt pay much attention

[bobbinwales]

Perhaps the rambling's is best ignored

[Peter Pedant]

yeah OK may have misread
july aug sep is three months to me max
so is vv likely to be less depending on dates 10th July to 14 Sep

but is more than three months to others on AB
righto !

PP checks calendar to see if there is a monf between Aug and Sep ( "intercalated month" technically. there isnt)

[Prudie]

So PP can you tell dagman when a UK passport issued in Sep 2013 will run out?

[bobbinwales]

PP- its still 2022 not 2023 so its not really as close as your thinking

[Dagman]

Thanks all, seems most agree it's well within date. First hol abroad for a while and don't want to mess it up. Cheers.

[calmck]

The problem is that some countries don't accept anything over exactly 10 years from the date of issue. Expiry to them is 10 years eg Jan 2012 to Jan 2022. They do not accept the extension that used to be given if you renewed your passport three months before expiry. Eg passport due to expire March 2012 but renewed in Jan 2012 was given expiry of March 2022. This is three months over 10 years and might not be accepted. We have been alerted to this in Portugal since Brexit

[calmck]

Passport issued Sept 2013 will expire Sept 2023

[New Judge]

It's fairly simple.

Your passport must be less than ten years old when you arrive at your destination and it must have at least three months to run on the date you plan to leave.

So if you are travelling on (say) 10th July and plan to stay two weeks, your passport must have an issue date no earlier than 11th July 2012 and must not expire before 24th October 2022.

This applies to all destinations in the Schengen Area (of which Madeira is one). Rules may be different elsewhere.