Do You Think The Polish Leader Has A Point Here?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35161135

[youngmafbog]

He most certainly has.

And that is why you will see many dirty tricks. sucj as unfair funding, use of government money for EU propoganda etc.

The British will give the 'right' answer (or ve vill vant you name)

[Old_Geezer]

I don't think there should be any need for in-work benefits at all. If you are in work you should be being paid sufficient to support your family without taxpayer subsidy.

[ToraToraTora]

nice in theory OG but if you have a lot of saucepans and are in a low paid job, it's not really feasible, so it does make sense that the person works and gets topped up by the state rather than getting the lot off the state.

[Old_Geezer]

It makes better sense to have a valid minimum wage and charge the legitimate price for goods and services. Anything else is just excuses.

[ToraToraTora]

yes but that would have to be silly to cover all eventualities, not feasible. So Bob Smith works in Tescos he has 6 kids, minumim wage would have to be £30 an hour, huge inflation, game over.

[Old_Geezer]

If he has six kids he needs two jobs. It's simply untrue to say it's not feasible. Tax is collected for subsidies already so it's not like the wages aren't already paid. It's just that the cost is pillaged from the earnings of more prudent folk.

[ToraToraTora]

Think it through OG.

[Apariah]

Easiest way is to raise the raise tax threshold and no benefits paid (especially for kids) and minimal (whatever minimum in the EU is) for no job.

If we do the same for everyone then foreigners wont get it either.

Seems the EUSSR may actually do us a favour here.

[mikey4444]

Yes of course he has. Britain is an important part of Europe these days, and long may it stay that way !

[CrapAtCryptics]

Not really he probably doesnt want all the people going home to mess up his finances.

[cassa333]

I would be very surprised if any country/leader with a good deal of the population leaving to gain a better job/housing/benefits/lifestyle/send money home etc etc agreeing to make in or out of work benefits less favourable elsewhere.

They would be idiots to do otherwise. Therefore with so many nations benefit system less favourable than our own very generous one we will have Bobs and No of getting a real value change on this one.

He's gotta try though

[New Judge]

“But he criticised Mr Cameron's key proposal to delay in-work benefits for new EU migrants for four years. He said he would not accept any EU labour laws that could discriminate against individuals from particular member states.”

Of course he would not accept such a change. Polish people (along with many others from the eastern EU nations come to the UK to work and to have their low pay topped up by the UK taxpayer. They also draw other in work benefits such as Child Benefit for children who do not live here and much of their cash is sent back to Poland.

It is quite clear that Mr Duda will not countenance a change to the system which sees cash sucked out of the UK economy and pumped into the Polish economy. This is one of the very many reasons why the EU does not work in the UK’s interests and one of the many “advantages” of the EU which will not change. That’s why an “Out” vote is the only rational answer.

A “Brexit” may cause the rest of the EU a few problems (not least the likes of Poland who may see some international cash transfers dry up) but that’s their problem, not ours. We, apparently, will have enough problems dealing with an EU over which we have no influence. In fact that's precisely what we're doing now so perhaps we can turn our efforts to forging trading links with growing economies.

[askyourgran]

Thank you NJ, I couldn't have put that better.

[youngmafbog]

Are you really mad Mickey or just been on the Xmas sauce ?

[ToraToraTora]

"..... In fact that's precisely what we're doing now...." - as usual judge a devastating dissection, at the moment we pay 12bn a year for no influence and a load of interference so it's a no brainer to stop pumping cash into this failed anti British club. Yet another BA for your collection judge.