Should Turkey Be Allowed To Transfer It's Immigration Problem Onto Europe?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3442406/Turkey-blasts-calls-migrants-threaten-send-millions-EU-declaring-not-idiot-foreheads.html

Perhaps Mr Recep Tayyip Erdogan, you should stop them entering your country in the first place?

[jno]

perhaps if certain parties weren't bombing the countriies next door to Turkey, there woudn't be so many migrants?

[Gromit]

It isn't Turkey's probllem.

If the migrants want to leave, why should Tirkey stop them.

If migrants wanted to leave this country, you think they should be prevented from doing so?

[whiskeryron]

You are kidding ?

[Marshwarble]

Turkey is 5% in Europe anyway. You might mean the EU?

[ichkeria]

The migrants in question want to ENTER Turkey, not leave.
The Turks already have 2.5 million.

Like jno says, the real villains here are the people causing the situation which has left thousands more trying to escape into that country from Syria.
Turkey has closed its border for now to all but seriously ill refugees.

There is a serious lot of negotiations going on between Turkey and the EU, and have been for some time. Turkey wants money from the EU to help it cope. The reasoning being, and it seems fair enough, that they simply can't cope any more, but with extra money they can accommodate these people and stop so many of them being forced fuirther west. Meanwhile the butchers of Amman and Moscow laugh and keep on killing.

[ichkeria]

SO, in a nutshell, they HAVE stopped them entering, as you'd know if you'd read the previous thread on the subject ...

[mrblear]

I like the word 'allowed' in the question - who's going to stop them if they decide to move the migrants on?

[ichkeria]

Amman? Damascus!

[Gromit]

You object to the EU controlling our borders, but you want it to dictate to a non EU member?
Rightly, Turkey should tell the EU where to stick it.

[Khandro]

Finally common sense and the inevitable appears to be happening;

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-nato-idUKKCN0VK0TT

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

And if other countries don't want to accept them, why should they.

It is Turkey's problem for allowing them in, in the first place.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// perhaps if certain parties weren't bombing the countriies next door to Turkey, there woudn't be so many migrants? ///

That old traitorous chestnut, "it's all our fault'?

I supose you would wish for ISIS to carry on with their savage murderous way unhindered?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// but you want it to dictate to a non EU member? ///

Where have I said that?

What is wrong for the neighbouring EU countries from closing their borders and not allowing them in from Turkey?

[Old_Geezer]

They may not have "idiot" on their forehead, but is the "word" irresponsible" there ?

One does not prevent genuine refugees fleeing violence so stopping them entering is immoral.

One could argue the toss whether Turkey needs to prevent refugees from leaving camps near the border. But since the agreed rules are that refugees are to flee to the nearest safe country then the responsibility on the refugee is to stay put, thankful that they are safe; and the responsibility of the country they are in is to cope, not rely on passing the problem on.

Strictly speaking the country refugees are leaving Turkey for, should simply not accept them, as they are then illegal immigrants; and send them back to Turkey.

For sure it is fair to help out a country in need as appropriate. I have no issue with charity being offered to help the refugees in Turkey, but it's still their responsibility to provide a viable camp for the refugees until it is safe for them to return home.

[ichkeria]

Do you actually understand what is going on AOG?

ISIS is not the target of the bombing which is forcing people out of Syria.

One of the worst wars in recent years, causing the displacement of millions into Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon etc. These countries HAVE said enough is enough, but as someone has already pointed out, once in those countries, why should those countries NOT let them go? As it happens Jordan, Turkey etc have done their utmost to be accommodating, but Jordan in particular has reached crisis point. These countries need help or it is hardly surprising if they (a) close their borders, or (b) don't bust a gut to stop them moving on.
If the Calais migrants arrived en masse from France, would you want to stop them moving on to Iceland if they could? I suspect not, somehow :-)

[ichkeria]

Let's see if the ceasefire works ...

[Old_Geezer]

I still think charity to one's fellow humans is a worldwide moral issue, not exclusively an EU one. Even in in a particular situation one country or group of countries may have more incentive to uphold their moral obligations to others.

[ichkeria]

We're at quite a dangerous place I think.
People decry the EU and the evils of the Schengen zone etc but I can only imagine how much worse it would be if there was no EU. The refugees would still come, and each country would simply pass them on through to the next country.

There'd be no common policy or attempt at such, and no common interest.
It's ironic that the EU is derided as "dictatorial" and "weak" at the same time.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Do you actually understand what is going on
AOG? ///

/// ISIS is not the target of the bombing which is forcing people out of Syria. ///

Apparently it would seem, that it is you and not I, who doesn't understand what is going off.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/05/raf-syria-bombing-raids-isis-libya

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/625318/Russia-ISIS-Islamic-State-Daesh-Vladimir-Putin-Tu-22-Bomber-Syria

http://time.com/4145903/islamic-state-oil-syria/

[ichkeria]

"Apparently it would seem, that it is you and not I, who doesn't understand what is going off. "

Er no, AOG, try and turn your focus from articles about IS just for a few moments. You can always go back to it. Meanwhile:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/04/russian-bombs-trigger-mass-aleppo-exodus-syria-conference-told

Plenty more where that came from, but not sure I should be wasting my time telling you what's been on the news constantly for days, nay weeks and months. Do you not watch the news, or read the papers other than articles about Polish lorry drivers etc ...
Sorry to appear rude, but one does wonder ...