Here Is One Excellent Reason For Grammer School

[youngmafbog]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3465928/Young-woman-demanding-Brexit-win-control-border-silences-politicians-fierce-defence-points-based-immigration-system.html

Good on her.

We have two Grammars down here one in Poole and one in Bournemouth. Luckily we have not succumbed to the left wing everyone is equal rubbish. Clearly the education is good.

[Old_Geezer]

Whilst I think pupils should be streamed in to to get the best from them, I don't believe one can assume her ability is down to simply schooling. There are plenty of intelligent erudite folk outside of the Grammar school system. Her abilities are probably more down to her genes, and maybe her home environment.

[ToraToraTora]

good girl, hypocrites like Abbot send their kids to private school whilst trashing any chance poorer kids have on the alter of some silly ideology.

[Prudie]

I had no idea you were also from 'down here'. Both brilliant schools but you have to be bright from primary to get there in the first place.

[Gromit]

// Here Is One Excellent Reason For Grammer (sic) School //

Political indoctrination is not permissable in our schools, so I assume her political views were formed elsewhere, probably inherited.
She argued that the increase in the minimum wage would attract migrants, which is probably true, but then she ruined it by saying eastern European states minimum wages are a tenth of ours, which was a made up figure, and not true.
So 5/10.

[Gromit]

Ymb / Prudie,

You may enjoy my joke on my homepage...

http://gromcartoons.com

[Mamyalynne]

I think the odd spelling mistake is permissable (sic) Gromit ;-)

[aelmpvw]

permissible? :-)

[aelmpvw]

oops just spotted the sic :-)))

[Gromit]

I'm hoist :-)

[Prudie]

Your own website Grom? I'm impressed

[Gromit]

Thank you Prudie,
It is not quite finished, but I thought you might like the trekking to south Pool joke.

[jim360]

So in summary, young people are far too young to understand how the world works and are surely brainwashed by their school or their parents. Unless they happen to be right-wing in which case it's clearly the product of an education system that encourages free thinking, aided by a brilliant young mind capable of perceiving the full complexities of the political situation.

[New Judge]

“Political indoctrination is not permissable in our schools,…”

Maybe not. But it certainly happens. This young lady obviously missed out.

“…but then she ruined it by saying eastern European states minimum wages are a tenth of ours, which was a made up figure,…”

Made up, maybe, but not too unadjacent to the truth. This table gives the details:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

Of the current EU members Romania has a minimum wage 16% of that of the UK, Bulgaria 15%. Among the current candidates Albania 10%, Macedonia 12% Montenegro 13% Serbia 16%. So maybe not quite as low as 10% but certainly low enough to encourage vast numbers of people to migrate and plunder the riches of the West.

[mushroom25]

//but then she ruined it by saying eastern European states minimum wages are a tenth of ours, which was a made up figure, and not true. //

not entirely gromit, unless her source material was also made up. in this table, the minimum hourly wage (in a uniform hypothetical international currency) for Romania is 1.81, whereas the UK's is 11.02; so the differencial is (as she says) one tenth. however if cost of living is taken into consideration, the real difference is just under 50%. so i guess statistics can say what you want them to - up to a point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

[jim360]

Actually on those figures it's closer to 1/6, Mushroom (before the adjustment).

Whether it's 1/10, or 1/2, or 1/6, or somewhere in between, I suppose the main point is that it's lower there than here.

[Gromit]

EU Minimum wage as of January 2016.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Minimum_wages,_January_2016_(¹)_(EUR_per_month)_YB16-II.png

UK 1500, the lowest about 200.

[New Judge]

No real need to argue over numbers, Gromit. Your file shows Bulgaria and Romania at about 15% of the UK. The respective costs of living are not really a consideration. The draw to the West for people in the east is that they can earn six or seven times the sums they can earn at home AND have their wages topped up by up to 100% by benefits. It's no contest.

[mushroom25]

i'm surprised the usual "ah but what about britons leaving the uk" argument hasn't been trotted out - maybe those that make the argument have come to realise how counter productive it is to swap the largely professional ex-pats for unskilled east european cabbage pickers.

[Gromit]

// The draw to the West for people in the east is that they can earn six or seven times the sums they can earn at home. //

Spot on. No need to exaggerate.

[New Judge]

“…no need to exaggerate”

I don’t think I exaggerated at all, Gromit. My figures quoted 15% and 16%, which is between one sixth and one seventh. Quite honestly, whether it is four, six, eight or ten makes no difference. To allow unfettered immigration from nations where the pay is so disparate, and then to top up wages by as much as 100% is breathtakingly irresponsible and an utter betrayal of UK taxpayers. If anyone can explain to me how that benefits the UK as a whole I'd be more than willing to listen.

“…maybe those that make the argument have come to realise how counter productive it is to swap the largely professional ex-pats for unskilled east european cabbage pickers.”

I’ve been making that point for some time, mush. It is quite obvious that many of those heading from eastern Europe are, in the main, either unskilled or low skilled workers with low earning capacity. Those who leave are usually higher skilled individuals with higher earning potential (most other nations do not accept low skilled immigrants). Either that or they are people who do not work (usually retired) who have their own means (once again, other countries do not usually allow people with no visible means of support to settle).

Last year around 617,000 people arrived to settle here. This is the number for whom accommodation has to be found. It is quite probable that much of that left vacant by the 294,000 who left is not suitable for them, either because of affordability or location.

Simply providing “net” migration figures is disingenuous. It hides the true number of arrivals and it hides the “swapping” of the population to which you refer. It’s quite true that people can dig below the headline figures. But most do not.