Petain Collaboration With The Nazi

[oneinam]

what was This collaboration between Pétain & thé Nazis called du ring WW2

[sandyRoe]

Vichy France

[stuey]

I have always wondered why people nowadays call the enemy during 1939-1945
"nazis". We were at war with Germany.

[bookbinder]

stuey, the reason for the coyness is probably that we mustn't upset the Germans.

[frugalfred]

stuey - as Basil Fawlty said, "Don't mention the War!"

[Jackdaw33]

After the war Pétain was sentenced to death but spared because of his age (he was over 90). His foreign minister, Laval, was not so fortunate.

[frugalfred]

I believe Petain was exiled for the remainder of his life to an island off the West coast of France.

[bookbinder]

My wife and I spent a week in East Germany, before the wall came down. Wherever there was a public reference to the war, the Nazis were always referred to as 'Fascists', as in 'the Soviet liberators freed you from Fascist rule.'

[frugalfred]

Fort de Pierre-Levée citadel on the Île d'Yeu, a small island off the French Atlantic coast.

[ToraToraTora]

stuey, we were at war with Germany of course but the nation had been hijacked by the Nazis and they controlled and dominated. Of course many were complicent but many also felt, and indeed were, liberated at their final defeat. I feel much the same about the EU, we are under a less obvious jackboot and at some point I hope to be liberated from this tyranny.

[mikey4444]

TTT...Germany, led by the Nazi Party, invaded most of Europe, mostly its peaceful neighbours, and spread destruction and famine over a wide area. They even invaded nations far from home, like North Africa.

They also murdered tens of millions of completely innocent people in the gas chambers.

How is this in any way similar to what is happening with the EU ?

[Baldric]

It's invasion by stealth, and far too many in this country are happy to roll over and let it happen.

[Peter Pedant]

// I have always wondered why people nowadays call the enemy during 1939-1945 "nazis". //

I think Winston Churchill did - he pronounced it Narzi whereas everyone else said nartsy. The predecessor was the Weimar Republic - also called that and not Germany .....


I think BookBinder is rather coyly re-writing history for a modern age.
The Japanese refer to the war as The Unfortunate period ....

Jacko - Laval should you be doing trivial pursuit is the only man to have appeared on the cover of "Time" as man of the year also to have been shot for treason - show trial 4-8 Oct 45, shot 15 Oct - blimey they didnt hang around !

[Peter Pedant]

// It's invasion by stealth, and far too many in this country are happy to roll over and let it happen.//

um, no. in 1940 I think the French saw the Germans coming ....
I mean a screaming dive bomber cant really be stealthy can it ?

[Jackdaw33]

Talking of not hanging(!) around, the assassin of the British PM, Spencer Perceval, in 1812, was tried and hanged within seven days.

[sandyRoe]

I've always thought the French treatment after the war of women who had formed friendships with German soldiers was mean, vindictive, behaviour.

[sandyRoe]

I'd thought he'd been judged insane. Was that not so?

[sandyRoe]

Of course, in those less enlightened days he may have been thought mad but still hanged.

[Peter Pedant]

I think the first time they wondered about hanging mad people
was the M'Naghten rules 1844

Everyone mistreated collaborators
zwartboek / http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389557/
is a pretty brutal Dutch film about those times

[Jackdaw33]

You are right about 'guilty but insane'. Much older than that was the rule that if a person was condemned sane, but subsequently went insane, then he/she could not be executed. The most prominent case was that of Lady Rochford, lady-in- waiting to Queen Katherine Howard, who was condemned with her for her part in assisting the queen's adultery. Henry VIII was not to be denied; he got parliament to pass an act exempting those who were charged with treason from this rule.