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As If We Don't Give Enough Already.
Surely each country looks after it borders with its own money.
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The claim is that Greece can't afford it. That should be a concern to Greece's neighbours who presumably can uphold their responsibili
19:01 Sun 05th Jun 2016
“…so the cost of patrolling borders will sink to zero”
You’ve not quite got the gist, Peter.
The cost of patrolling the UK’s borders is not the issue. We’re being asked for additional funds to patrol the external borders of the Schengen Area, of which we are not part. The EU, in its utter stupidity, effectively extended the borders of the western European countries to Russia, Ukraine and Turkey. The western European nations suffering the results were complicit in that folly by signing up to Schengen. The countries on the eastern end of the bloc (principally the Baltic States and Greece) are singularly unable to protect their borders. But instead of incursions to those countries being confined to them by robust internal borders, any illegals making it to the eastern EU nations are immediately able to roam wherever they like.
The Schengen Agreement has exacerbated beyond belief what is already a huge problem. Its designers were adequately warned of the perils but those warnings were brushed aside. The UK (wisely for once) opted out of Schengen but is now being asked to contribute to solving the second grandest folly (second only to the euro) of modern political times. So long as we remain members there is no way the UK will avoid such payments. In fact, it won’t be too long before the Schengen opt out secured by the UK and Ireland comes under threat (as eventually do all such opt-outs; it’s the way the EU works: "we'll let you off - for now"). Leaving is the only answer.
You’ve not quite got the gist, Peter.
The cost of patrolling the UK’s borders is not the issue. We’re being asked for additional funds to patrol the external borders of the Schengen Area, of which we are not part. The EU, in its utter stupidity, effectively extended the borders of the western European countries to Russia, Ukraine and Turkey. The western European nations suffering the results were complicit in that folly by signing up to Schengen. The countries on the eastern end of the bloc (principally the Baltic States and Greece) are singularly unable to protect their borders. But instead of incursions to those countries being confined to them by robust internal borders, any illegals making it to the eastern EU nations are immediately able to roam wherever they like.
The Schengen Agreement has exacerbated beyond belief what is already a huge problem. Its designers were adequately warned of the perils but those warnings were brushed aside. The UK (wisely for once) opted out of Schengen but is now being asked to contribute to solving the second grandest folly (second only to the euro) of modern political times. So long as we remain members there is no way the UK will avoid such payments. In fact, it won’t be too long before the Schengen opt out secured by the UK and Ireland comes under threat (as eventually do all such opt-outs; it’s the way the EU works: "we'll let you off - for now"). Leaving is the only answer.
It is in our interest to share the burden.
If Greece does not have the money to solely keep the migrants out, then the result of us not chipping in will be an ever bigger tide of migrants, who will head here, not stay in Greece.
So it is a straight forward chouce - Help with security, or more illegal immigrants coming our way.
If Greece does not have the money to solely keep the migrants out, then the result of us not chipping in will be an ever bigger tide of migrants, who will head here, not stay in Greece.
So it is a straight forward chouce - Help with security, or more illegal immigrants coming our way.
It's in our interest for those in the Schengen Area, who created a problem, to chip in. I'm unsure that we should be forced to. There are limits to how many times one should be effectively blackmailed into paying another country's bills on threat that otherwise they won't deal with their responsibilities to others. Helping out another country that is in economic mire is one thing, but if they don't make progress turning it around sometimes you have to decide that they are a lost cause. As far as Greece is concerned the Eurozone countries have first responsibility to those for whom their 'one size fits none' policy failed.
The claim is that Greece can't afford it. That should be a concern to Greece's neighbours who presumably can uphold their responsibilities. The idea that the idiotic countries can wash their hands of the trouble they cause and simply allow illegals to pass through to others should be seen as unacceptable by any civilised nation.
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