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With The Nhs Lacking In Funds, Should It's Money Be Spent On Such Things?
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/// Couldn't you argue that the NHS could easily fund hip operations etc, if they looked at chargebacks for preventable disease? ///
/// I suggest that both are a drop in the ocean compared to what the NHS has to spend to treat those who have chosen to ruin their health with fags and booze. ///
One could also say all this about sexually transmitted diseases, brought on by those who choose a particular life style.
Aren't they also preventable diseases and how much do those cost the NHS?
/// Couldn't you argue that the NHS could easily fund hip operations etc, if they looked at chargebacks for preventable disease? ///
/// I suggest that both are a drop in the ocean compared to what the NHS has to spend to treat those who have chosen to ruin their health with fags and booze. ///
One could also say all this about sexually transmitted diseases, brought on by those who choose a particular life style.
Aren't they also preventable diseases and how much do those cost the NHS?
But Jim, the NHS was a vehicle to impose an opinion on this occasion, as it is what AOG’s question was about.
Maybe ‘sexuality and gender alignment’ are not choices. Never having felt that way inclined, I couldn’t say for sure. But I think it’s equally possible that it could be a choice, and that those who want it (for whatever reason) use “no choice” as an excuse, because it’s better than “I want.”
And of course, children need support, but if a 6 year old says they want to be the opposite sex, then for me, it’s better ignored rather than supported, in the hope that they grow out of it.
And whilst I do respect a persons right to be what they choose, I firmly believe that certain things should be kept private, and if they incur costs, then those costs should not come out of public funding.
My right to disapprove should also be respected.
You don’t have to bother to look for the thread I mentioned, unless you can show me that I was wrong earlier when I said “I doubt that it is a coincidence that when a topic such as this is posted, that it is AB’s gay and trans(insert relevant suffix here) posters who agree with these issues and appear to think they should be encouraged, even when children are involved.”
In which case I will apologise.
I too am off out, so have a nice day, and I expect we will both check back later.
Maybe ‘sexuality and gender alignment’ are not choices. Never having felt that way inclined, I couldn’t say for sure. But I think it’s equally possible that it could be a choice, and that those who want it (for whatever reason) use “no choice” as an excuse, because it’s better than “I want.”
And of course, children need support, but if a 6 year old says they want to be the opposite sex, then for me, it’s better ignored rather than supported, in the hope that they grow out of it.
And whilst I do respect a persons right to be what they choose, I firmly believe that certain things should be kept private, and if they incur costs, then those costs should not come out of public funding.
My right to disapprove should also be respected.
You don’t have to bother to look for the thread I mentioned, unless you can show me that I was wrong earlier when I said “I doubt that it is a coincidence that when a topic such as this is posted, that it is AB’s gay and trans(insert relevant suffix here) posters who agree with these issues and appear to think they should be encouraged, even when children are involved.”
In which case I will apologise.
I too am off out, so have a nice day, and I expect we will both check back later.
Yes you could definitely argue that...but I strongly doubt that the cost of sexual health treatment is anything like the treatment costs for other 'lifestyle' ailments such as those caused by alcohol, drugs, over-eating and smoking.
Again, we'd be talking about a drop in the ocean when comparing the two figures.
And that drop is actually getting smaller:
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Again, we'd be talking about a drop in the ocean when comparing the two figures.
And that drop is actually getting smaller:
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bigbad
You wrote:
Gender dysphoria - you can dress it up in as many pc words as you like, but a tranny is a tranny, and NHS money should not be wasted on a deviant who just happens to believe they have the wrong sexual organs.
No.
A 'tranny' is not someone who lives with gender dysphoria.
What you are referring to is a transvestite. That's a man or woman who dresses as the opposite sex for emotional or sexual gratification.
The two are leagues apart. A transvestite doesn't actually *believe* that they are born in the wrong body.
It's not 'pc language'. It's medical language.
You wrote:
Gender dysphoria - you can dress it up in as many pc words as you like, but a tranny is a tranny, and NHS money should not be wasted on a deviant who just happens to believe they have the wrong sexual organs.
No.
A 'tranny' is not someone who lives with gender dysphoria.
What you are referring to is a transvestite. That's a man or woman who dresses as the opposite sex for emotional or sexual gratification.
The two are leagues apart. A transvestite doesn't actually *believe* that they are born in the wrong body.
It's not 'pc language'. It's medical language.
AOG 12 25
Yup I have to agree that AOG has been reading his NHS book of prioritisation
there are indeed NHS needs - I would put children's cancer and baby services higher than varicose veins - but some wouldnt
and indeed again there are NHS wants... sort of lower but one may turn into another.]
"I want the Ward to be cleaner" - sounds like a want, but people will say, Jesus I want it to be clean like you know once a week
in which case there is a public health concern and it becomes a need
[ some complicated thoughts there, not everyone will understand .... apolz]
Yup I have to agree that AOG has been reading his NHS book of prioritisation
there are indeed NHS needs - I would put children's cancer and baby services higher than varicose veins - but some wouldnt
and indeed again there are NHS wants... sort of lower but one may turn into another.]
"I want the Ward to be cleaner" - sounds like a want, but people will say, Jesus I want it to be clean like you know once a week
in which case there is a public health concern and it becomes a need
[ some complicated thoughts there, not everyone will understand .... apolz]
sp @ 8.47.
Transvestite/transgender/gender dysphoria. They are all the same to me - people who pretend to be or want to be something they are not, or ever will be, so I have no problem referring to them all the same way.
I see my first post on this thread from yesterday afternoon was removed.
I didn’t set out to upset anyone, but I guess someone’s upset by it takes precedence over the sympathy I said in that post that I have for the terminally ill who can’t get life saving/life enhancing drugs on the NHS because of the cost. Or the happiness I feel when a medical breakthrough happens that could give hope to sick people - the folk who need, not the folk who want.
And lets face it, it could happen to any of us.
Transvestite/transgender/gender dysphoria. They are all the same to me - people who pretend to be or want to be something they are not, or ever will be, so I have no problem referring to them all the same way.
I see my first post on this thread from yesterday afternoon was removed.
I didn’t set out to upset anyone, but I guess someone’s upset by it takes precedence over the sympathy I said in that post that I have for the terminally ill who can’t get life saving/life enhancing drugs on the NHS because of the cost. Or the happiness I feel when a medical breakthrough happens that could give hope to sick people - the folk who need, not the folk who want.
And lets face it, it could happen to any of us.
bigbad
You are more than free to think that transvestites and transexuals are all the same, but they aren't.
Glad you have no problem using incorrect terms, but the fact remains - you're creating synonyms which have no business being synonyms.
A transvestite dresses as the opposite sex for sexual/emotional gratification.
That is not, and has never been gender dysphoria.
It's not even a subtle difference. It's a fundamental difference.
You are more than free to think that transvestites and transexuals are all the same, but they aren't.
Glad you have no problem using incorrect terms, but the fact remains - you're creating synonyms which have no business being synonyms.
A transvestite dresses as the opposite sex for sexual/emotional gratification.
That is not, and has never been gender dysphoria.
It's not even a subtle difference. It's a fundamental difference.
You call them what you will, sp, and I’ll do the same.
Doubtless this subject will come up again, and you and I will disagree yet again. We have opposing views on many things, and our sympathies lie in opposite directions. The things you care about about are the things I don’t give a toss about, and vice versa.
But as I said at 15.52, “it could happen to any of us” (serious illness - not trannyness!!!) and I wish you good health.
Doubtless this subject will come up again, and you and I will disagree yet again. We have opposing views on many things, and our sympathies lie in opposite directions. The things you care about about are the things I don’t give a toss about, and vice versa.
But as I said at 15.52, “it could happen to any of us” (serious illness - not trannyness!!!) and I wish you good health.
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