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'gender Choice' Being Tought To Children.
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Do you agree with Pope Francis, either for his reasons or your own?
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That would depend on how you drew the comparison, though.
At the very least, would you agree with addressing the topic, no matter the age, if it comes up naturally? What should be done if a teacher, for example, undergoes transition? Or if a child raises the subject because either they are or, more likely, a family member is transgender and they want to ask questions about it to the school?
It seems to me that in the first two scenarios at least the school has no choice but to talk about the topic openly. At any rate, while perhaps the better thing to do is to wait for the opportune moment for the really young children, teaching children about transgenderism more formally could easily form a part of the sex and relationships education that tends to happen around the ages of 10-12.
At the very least, would you agree with addressing the topic, no matter the age, if it comes up naturally? What should be done if a teacher, for example, undergoes transition? Or if a child raises the subject because either they are or, more likely, a family member is transgender and they want to ask questions about it to the school?
It seems to me that in the first two scenarios at least the school has no choice but to talk about the topic openly. At any rate, while perhaps the better thing to do is to wait for the opportune moment for the really young children, teaching children about transgenderism more formally could easily form a part of the sex and relationships education that tends to happen around the ages of 10-12.
naomi //No one has suggested that we shouldn’t teach tolerance – simply that we shouldn’t confuse children by introducing to them aspects of life they have no reason to concern themselves with. //
By using the word "tolerance", implicit in your statement is the concept that transgender people are in some way lesser than the rest of us. Something distrustful that we are are supposed to "put up with" to be "politically correct".
Get it into your head that there are people who, through the random nature of genetics and gestational environments, are born this way. They are real people with real feelings and real lives. The only problem they have is the failure of the ignorant and prejudiced to accept them.
Teaching children about the facts is intended to avoid such ignorance and the prejudices that ignorant people like you impose upon them.
And I ask again. In what way does explaining aspects of reality "confuse" children? Please don't post on this thread again unless you are willing to answer that simple question.
By using the word "tolerance", implicit in your statement is the concept that transgender people are in some way lesser than the rest of us. Something distrustful that we are are supposed to "put up with" to be "politically correct".
Get it into your head that there are people who, through the random nature of genetics and gestational environments, are born this way. They are real people with real feelings and real lives. The only problem they have is the failure of the ignorant and prejudiced to accept them.
Teaching children about the facts is intended to avoid such ignorance and the prejudices that ignorant people like you impose upon them.
And I ask again. In what way does explaining aspects of reality "confuse" children? Please don't post on this thread again unless you are willing to answer that simple question.
Naomi is right that "tolerance" was my word, used twice on the last page. I think it's appropriate because many people today, for one reason or another, have negative attitudes towards transgenderism and trans* people. I think it's important to work to change those attitudes, but realistically this is impossible to achieve any time soon for everybody. In those cases I'd settle for a more modest objective of people not allowing their views on transgenderism to influence their actions towards transgender people. I would have thought that this position -- "I don't 'agree with' transgenderism but I wouldn't want those views to get in the way of trans* people living their lives freely" -- is the very definition of tolerance.
I'm not quite sure that's what I meant when I first used the word, but I'll stick with it.
I'm not quite sure that's what I meant when I first used the word, but I'll stick with it.
naomi24 //Beso, 'Tolerance' wasn't my word - it was Jim's at 09:02. //
You used it too and therefore my criticism of your positions stands as valid.
//Another one setting himself up as chairman!! Wind your neck in for goodness sake!//
I take you will not be answering my simple question then. "How is explaining the nature of reality confusing children?"
Your failure to answer makes you hypocrite as you have many times criticised posters on other threads for not answering simple questions.
You used it too and therefore my criticism of your positions stands as valid.
//Another one setting himself up as chairman!! Wind your neck in for goodness sake!//
I take you will not be answering my simple question then. "How is explaining the nature of reality confusing children?"
Your failure to answer makes you hypocrite as you have many times criticised posters on other threads for not answering simple questions.
jim360 // many people today, for one reason or another, have negative attitudes towards transgenderism and trans* people. I think it's important to work to change those attitudes, but realistically this is impossible to achieve any time soon for everybody.//
Which is why it need to be taught in school. Like many other historical prejudices have been.
It helps overcome the bigotry of those who would teach those prejudices to their children.
Which is why it need to be taught in school. Like many other historical prejudices have been.
It helps overcome the bigotry of those who would teach those prejudices to their children.
I agree that it should be taught in school -- it's just that overcoming the attitudes of people like TTT isn't going to happen overnight. Like a broken record, he posts the same thing whenever this topic comes up, and like an insane person I keep trying to persuade him otherwise with the same effects, ie none whatsoever. It won't stop me in future either, because views like that have to be challenged and can't be left alone.
Anyway, the point is I'd far rather have respect than tolerance, but I'd still rather have tolerance than the ignorance and bigotry that TTT et al display.
Anyway, the point is I'd far rather have respect than tolerance, but I'd still rather have tolerance than the ignorance and bigotry that TTT et al display.
Beso, of course I used the word ‘Tolerance’. That was what Jim wanted to talk about which is why he raised the issue!!
Your question: “what way does explaining aspects of reality "confuse" children?”
I have no objection to explaining aspects of reality to children. Their questions should be answered. I do, however, object to people who thoughtlessly and selfishly mess with little minds by banging their particular drum and shoving aspects of reality down the throats of little children way before they’re ready to learn, or indeed, capable of understanding. The children are my priority – not the drum-bangers!
I trust that answers your question.
Your question: “what way does explaining aspects of reality "confuse" children?”
I have no objection to explaining aspects of reality to children. Their questions should be answered. I do, however, object to people who thoughtlessly and selfishly mess with little minds by banging their particular drum and shoving aspects of reality down the throats of little children way before they’re ready to learn, or indeed, capable of understanding. The children are my priority – not the drum-bangers!
I trust that answers your question.
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