It Would Seem That The Proposed Junior Doctors Strike Is Politically Motivated.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3771685/EXPOSED-hard-Left-doctors-care-bashing-Tories-health.html

[Cloverjo]

The DM article posted keeps mentioning Hard-left because some supporters of Jeremy Corbyn are also in favour of the doctors' strike. This is typical of the DM, and why I won't read it.
I am a JC supporter, but I don't agree with the doctors' strike.

[cassa333]

I read in yesterday's paper that the new contracts are actually marginally better but the JD are now just on a crusade.

If I can find it I'll post but it was in a paper copy rather than the internet

[Gromit]

Cassa33

The contracts were a case of giving with one hand, and taking away with the other.

Their standard rate up went up slightly, but Saturday was reclassified from special rate to standard rate.

So a junior doctor working Monday to Friday would get more take home pay. Except Junior doctors HAVE to work Saturday because everyone else *** off. They cannot opt out, and now have to work a Saturday shift for less money than before.

So while a few might be better off, the majority won't be.

The change was entirely down to an Conservative Election pledge to make hospitals a 7/7 service.

[Togo]

//The change was entirely down to an Conservative Election pledge to make hospitals a 7/7 service. //
Well we can't have that can we? Everybody knows that illness is only liable to require attention Monday to Friday.

[Gromit]

Togo,
Then stop all the consultants and senior staff from slacking at weekends. It was an hollow pledgereally if they are just going to put more junior staff in and slash their pay.

Weekends already have a poor death rate compared to week days, which is the scandal the 7/7 pledge was aiming to address. But putting in more low paid junior staff is not the solution.

[Togo]

What do you actually know of the skill levels of the junior doctors Gromit? You seem happy to denigrate them with the faint praise of "junior staff" they are mostly consultants in their fields, in waiting, and given the nature of the work that they have chosen, need to do the miles before they get the smiles. I do know by the way. Someone very close to me indeed has passed all the necessary boards and exams and is in fact a junior. These people have all the skills and have been rigorously trained and selected (By The NHS)and are perfectly capable of the highest standards of care on any given day including Saturdays and Sundays. The fully fledged consultants are required to oversee and to moderate the junior doctors until they themselves are fit to be called consultants. You know nothing, the junior doctors do all the front line care during the week anyway and only use the senior doctors as errrr...........Consultants. The junior doctors have for the first time in the history of the NHS been hijacked by the fifth column trots amongst them. Their aim is indeed to bring down the NHS or the Government, or both. They are of course encouraged by the weak minded and lethargic amongst us and grow either more desperate or bolder by the day.

[Peter Pedant]

// The BMA failed to represent the members' interests when they tried to agree to a deal that the members found unacceptable. Of course they are unkeen to admit that they screwed up.//

it was voted out by the doctors who would have to work it
the negotiating committee resigned

BMA council is mainly old senior doctors looking to important things like their pensions and visits to the Palace
I was surprised that a group of old GPs and senior hospital doctors had to vote on whether junior doctors could go on strike

and Cassa....
no the contract isnt any good
that is why the govt has taken on powers to coerce and impose it

and yes cassa someone IS saying it is wonderful
a certain secretary of state for health

Even Dermot Murnaghan asked " if it is so good why are you imposing it?" and our plucky secretary said 'b/c it is so good...'

[EDDIE51]

I do think that the NHS should be a genuine full 7 days a week operation rather than the mainly 5 day a week operation it is now. To not use most of it's vastly expensive resources on 2 out of 7 days is uneconomic and wasteful.
The most significant part of this dispute is over 'enhanced weekend payment rates' which the government want to end.
Sorry, but I say the time has come when we can no longer afford a NHS that does not offer normal appointments ,clinics and treatment at weekends. Full operation at weekends would instantly give 28.5 % more appointment and treatment time. Staff will have to learn to accept 7 day working with days off being taken on a 'rota' basis as shop staff have had to do!

[Zacs-Master]

No,*** Sherlock.

[Gromit]

Togo,
There are 60,000 junior doctors who are presumably intelligent people. 98% of the 28,000 BMI members who voted, opted to strike. Are you really suggesting all those clever people are being highjacked into striking by a few trots?

The Government are trying to fund 7/7 hospitals by cutting the pay of junior doctors, and they are not happy about it.